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Old February 13th, 2009, 09:45 AM   #201
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Well fortunatly theres no laws in this country saying I have to prove my self to a douchbag.


Also my car is a 1982 with almost no rust. Its in no way a hoopty. The paint on my car probably shines more than yours. Also, im 19 and don't have a ton to throw at the car.
I had tons of my "own" money when I was 19 . . . you've been using that excuse for a few years now.



I"m the one on the right. I'll race you and I'll give you 4 cylinders in the race

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Old February 13th, 2009, 09:46 AM   #202
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Who are you.....? I hope you didnt join this forum just to try to impress everyone about your car. I might be confused but last i checked this is greatlakes4X4....
And not to defend AJ here, but i remember when i was young.. Really young helping my dad in the garage when he rebuilt his first 2 engines. YES i didnt do anything but goof of and be a pest but what kid isnt at that age. Its not hard to rebuild an engine, ive rebuilt 2 with the help of my dad (willies 4 cyl. and my jeep I6) just machining has to be outsourced.
Nah, I didn't join just to try and impress everyone with my car, I'm just coming in with some machinist experience to try and figure out what this character claims to have. And you're correct, this is greatlakes4x4 - which brings me to question, why does this thread even exist in the first place? :)

I'm a former 4x4 owner, I just cannot remember wtf my login information was.. I had a DD ZR2 S-10 that I liked to dick around with on the weekends and play in the snow with.. It's been a couple years :) She had lots of miles on her, but I miss her.. Damn gas mileage was kicking my ass tho!

And define rebuild engine? Are we talking taking the heads off, cleaning it up, throwing on new head gaskets, and calling it good? Or are we talking the type of rebuild I am thinking of where we pull the bottom end apart, check the bearings, inspect the crank, balance the rotating assembly, machine pistons for pin fit, fit the rings, and reassemble completely with a freshly balanced motor? :) I'd like to get more info on this "built engine" to know what kind of specs we are talking that can have a tire off the ground as far down the track as he is making it seem...

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Old February 13th, 2009, 10:23 AM   #203
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For the record, I don't own a 4x4 any more.

Though my wife haz an AWD wagon.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 10:53 AM   #204
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isn't it just a firebird formula anyways??? and not a Trans Am?

I'll race the pontiac in my 4x4 dodge ram
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Old February 13th, 2009, 11:00 AM   #205
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I'll race it in my 93' ford arostar , extended, AWD ghetto cruiser w/ the 4.0
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Old February 13th, 2009, 11:17 AM   #206
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Nah, I didn't join just to try and impress everyone with my car, I'm just coming in with some machinist experience to try and figure out what this character claims to have. And you're correct, this is greatlakes4x4 - which brings me to question, why does this thread even exist in the first place? :)

I'm a former 4x4 owner, I just cannot remember wtf my login information was.. I had a DD ZR2 S-10 that I liked to dick around with on the weekends and play in the snow with.. It's been a couple years :) She had lots of miles on her, but I miss her.. Damn gas mileage was kicking my ass tho!

And define rebuild engine? Are we talking taking the heads off, cleaning it up, throwing on new head gaskets, and calling it good? Or are we talking the type of rebuild I am thinking of where we pull the bottom end apart, check the bearings, inspect the crank, balance the rotating assembly, machine pistons for pin fit, fit the rings, and reassemble completely with a freshly balanced motor? :) I'd like to get more info on this "built engine" to know what kind of specs we are talking that can have a tire off the ground as far down the track as he is making it seem...
i agree, dont know why the thread is here.. And for my rebuilds. Willies engine was completely overhauled. Torn down to bare block and degreased and honed and decked. new bearings were installed but stock engine componets were reused (its hard finding 1952 military jeep parts.)
Jeep I 6 was the fun one, after i blew the cam bearings out. Tore it down, had the block degreased and decked and the new freeze plugs installed, added a new crank that was balanced for 3500 rpm constant running (did so if i ever was extremely hard on it offroading) than did a stroker set up with the cylinders bored over .060, mostly new internals beside the componets that were apart of the stroker setup.

So it was more than changing a gasket. And I learned alot from doing this.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 11:36 AM   #207
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.lol. at xj-james, what a troll
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Old February 13th, 2009, 12:31 PM   #208
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You're trying to turn this into a pissing match, it isn't.
Not really. I'm simply stating that this can be done. I'm not sure where you think I ever said HE could do it (because I don't believe I ever stated he could), I simply said it can be done.
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I respectfully disagree - he does not have the engine management to cope with 12:1 on pump gas.
Not sure what you consider "engine management", but it's doable with just a carb.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 12:54 PM   #209
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Not really. I'm simply stating that this can be done. I'm not sure where you think I ever said HE could do it (because I don't believe I ever stated he could), I simply said it can be done.

Not sure what you consider "engine management", but it's doable with just a carb.
You stated it could be done without offering anything else. You really won't expound on the subject because I don't think you really know. You mention you can do it depending on cam grinds, but that's a pretty safe statement.

If you throw in a cam with a huge amount of overlap (so that your effective compression ratio is lowered) that needs to idle at 2000 rpm is your solution, you're really not much into building something worthy to DD.

Since you seem to want proof of what you say, tell me where I said 12:1 on pump gas was impossible. I'm trying to give A.J. some responsible advice based on a bit of experience in the field of engine design and management while you're buzzing around the conversation disagreeing just to make some sort of point.

I suppose someone could run a carb on an engine with 12:1, and a cam with huge amounts of overlap so that your exhaust valve is still open on the compression stroke, but to what end? A.J. can't do it, not on a car he says is his DD, and that's what I'm trying to get across.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. going from 10:1 up to 12:1 might net you a 3% increase in conversion efficiency, but a net decrease in fuel economy, driveability and overall performance (how often will someone drive a DD a WOT?)

This is totally a pissing match and one that (for once) I'm well equipped for.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 01:11 PM   #210
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I got an idea... fuck off.Go stuff your boy friends cock in your mouth. My mom works all the time to take car of my little sisters. My parents are divorced. Mom pays house paymnet and everything by her self. So fukc you.
I am your age so how about u come to flint so u can get your jaw blown out. Just like me blowing out your moms (l) while she buys me shit for my truck. By the way your cars a trud that was handed down 2 u and it seems like thats all u get shit. Having no cash what do u do spend it all on roofs. so u can acutally get some cat. Pluss whats yup with u allway saying boyfriends and cocks? Do u have something u need 2 tell us.

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You stated it could be done without offering anything else. You really won't expound on the subject because I don't think you really know. You mention you can do it depending on cam grinds, but that's a pretty safe statement.

If you throw in a cam with a huge amount of overlap (so that your effective compression ratio is lowered) that needs to idle at 2000 rpm is your solution, you're really not much into building something worthy to DD.

Since you seem to want proof of what you say, tell me where I said 12:1 on pump gas was impossible. I'm trying to give A.J. some responsible advice based on a bit of experience in the field of engine design and management while you're buzzing around the conversation disagreeing just to make some sort of point.

I suppose someone could run a carb on an engine with 12:1, and a cam with huge amounts of overlap so that your exhaust valve is still open on the compression stroke, but to what end? A.J. can't do it, not on a car he says is his DD, and that's what I'm trying to get across.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. going from 10:1 up to 12:1 might net you a 3% increase in conversion efficiency, but a net decrease in fuel economy, driveability and overall performance (how often will someone drive a DD a WOT?)

This is totally a pissing match and one that (for once) I'm well equipped for.
Believe me, I do not myself, nor would I recommend that anybody try and run that much compression on a streetable setup. If you were saying he could not do it (not that it just couldn't be done), I read it the wrong way. That's my bad.
What would you like me to expand on? You have already stated with a camshaft that can bleed off enough cylinder pressure it's workable. Combustion chamber design will also play a role.
It's hard to tell who's trying to actually give him some "responsible" advice. It's mostly just a bashing thread (for whatever reason). I'm trying to do the same, which is why I'd much rather see him dump those heads for some good castings. Especially since he's talking about dumping money into what he has.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 02:30 PM   #213
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Believe me, I do not myself, nor would I recommend that anybody try and run that much compression on a streetable setup. If you were saying he could not do it (not that it just couldn't be done), I read it the wrong way. That's my bad.
What would you like me to expand on? You have already stated with a camshaft that can bleed off enough cylinder pressure it's workable. Combustion chamber design will also play a role.
It's hard to tell who's trying to actually give him some "responsible" advice. It's mostly just a bashing thread (for whatever reason). I'm trying to do the same, which is why I'd much rather see him dump those heads for some good castings. Especially since he's talking about dumping money into what he has.


I am glad you're trying to help. I look back to when I didn't know better and making $180/ week full time and trying to hotrod my 66 Fairlane. I swore up and down I was making 350 hp from my 289 I'd like to see A.J. choose wisely.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 03:39 PM   #214
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I am glad you're trying to help. I look back to when I didn't know better and making $180/ week full time and trying to hotrod my 66 Fairlane. I swore up and down I was making 350 hp from my 289 I'd like to see A.J. choose wisely.
LMFAO!!
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Old February 13th, 2009, 04:13 PM   #215
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a.j. hall do you have any pics of this Hot Rod yet for us all to see?
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Old February 13th, 2009, 04:13 PM   #216
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I wanna race you with my 7500 lb. pickup.
I'll spot you 2 cylinders and I'll only run mine on 25 octane fuel.
I'm also running 17:1 compression ratio.

srsly.

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Old February 13th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #217
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LMFAO!!
Hey now, don't trash talk my 4.3 second quarter mile smallblock fairlane, dammit.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 05:15 PM   #218
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We should have a track day at milan and get all the real #'s and hear all the real excuses

i'll bring my 4cyl that only gets 196 at the wheel, and i'll give "nightrider aj" a 4 full second head start
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We should have a track day at milan and get all the real #'s and hear all the real excuses

i'll bring my 4cyl that only gets 196 at the wheel, and i'll give "nightrider aj" a 4 full second head start
i dont want to race your bike. hahahahahahaha
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Old February 13th, 2009, 05:49 PM   #220
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i dont want to race your bike. hahahahahahaha
why not it's just a lil 4 banger, and dont worry about the bottle in the swingarm, thats just for the air conditioning

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