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Old June 4th, 2007, 03:06 PM   #101
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I have broke synthetic too , i can attest to that fact it does not fly like wire . the 2 brokens ends were less then 5' apart when it broke .
and being hit by a rope in the past I can attest to the fact that it will fly like wire

but it didn't cut me in half or brake the skin.....

It wasn't pleasent, but it didn't require any sort of first aid....

safer yes

ability to injure, still there

probability to injure is probably less then wire by a lot
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Old June 4th, 2007, 03:48 PM   #102
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Powerwashers generate enough force they can damage the nylon threads.
Ahh...yea, so don't put the end of the power washer right next to the strap.

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also when winching if u dont have a towl or somthing to use for a weigh is it alright to put a tow strap over it? that what i normal use
A towel is going to do nothing to stop a cable. Get a winch weight. I would think that if you folded your strap over and over and then put it over the cable it would be better than nothing.

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and being hit by a rope in the past I can attest to the fact that it will fly like wire

but it didn't cut me in half or brake the skin.....

It wasn't pleasent, but it didn't require any sort of first aid....

safer yes

ability to injure, still there

probability to injure is probably less then wire by a lot
Ability to injure still there...i'll give you that.

I have broke cable 3 times and rope once. The first time, the cable came through the front window, the second it whipped over my XJ and broke out the rear window and the third it took out my radiator and ac condenser. When I broke the rope, it layed right down on the trail except about 6 inches of it bunched into my fairlead. I have seen rope break a few more times and every time it has acted the same. No vehicle damage and no injuries. Every time I have seen cable break there has been at least vehicle damage.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 10:48 AM   #103
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Great info folks!
A club member (also a qualified welder)
is fabbing a rear reciever mount for the used
Mile Marker 9,000 lb. winch I bought.
Looking forward to using the info. here
to do things safely!

2 Questions:
1. Should I replace the factory bolts (6 of them) that
attach the the reciever to the truck frame with grade 8?
2. Pin rating, I see no markings on the "regular" pin or
my "locking" pin that I use with my trailer hitch (tow 30'
travel trailer 7,600 GVW).

Hope I'm not asking this question in the wrong place.
But, I thought it was as I've seen other winches on reciever mounts
and wondered about the strength of the reciever and the pin holding
the enitre load. I'm not planning any Crazy winching operations.

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Old June 30th, 2007, 11:59 AM   #104
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you may want to PM Grandman since he may not see the tread since it is an old one. But he is the far most expertise on the subject.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 04:36 PM   #105
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O.K. Thanks.
Will do!
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Old July 1st, 2007, 12:14 PM   #106
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Great info folks!
A club member (also a qualified welder)
is fabbing a rear reciever mount for the used
Mile Marker 9,000 lb. winch I bought.
Looking forward to using the info. here
to do things safely!

2 Questions:
1. Should I replace the factory bolts (6 of them) that
attach the the reciever to the truck frame with grade 8?
2. Pin rating, I see no markings on the "regular" pin or
my "locking" pin that I use with my trailer hitch (tow 30'
travel trailer 7,600 GVW).

Hope I'm not asking this question in the wrong place.
But, I thought it was as I've seen other winches on reciever mounts
and wondered about the strength of the reciever and the pin holding
the enitre load. I'm not planning any Crazy winching operations.
The quesiton here is what reciever do you have from the factory . what is its rating ? For the most part do a visual inspection , as long as that reciever is not badly rusted id say your in good shape to use it .

The pin for the reciever , if it is an actual reciever pin and not just a bolt stuck in there your fine . I have never seen one break .
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Old July 20th, 2007, 08:14 AM   #107
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The point , or open end of the hook on your winch line should point up , this will force the hook downward if a tree saver of hook fails .
If your new to this sport , or recovery please take some good advise . With 30 years under my belt i still learn every day . I hope this information saves some one a hard lesson in life .
I never knew that. Thanks for the info.
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Old July 24th, 2007, 07:28 AM   #108
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[QUOTE=gmcpower98;606264]Great info folks!
1. Should I replace the factory bolts (6 of them) that
attach the the reciever to the truck frame with grade 8?QUOTE]



2 suggestions here;
if it's the factory installed hitch the bolts are in as good as shape the hitch is.
second; if you know the brand of the hitch contact the mfg. they will tell you what they reccomend.

after just doing this with a drawtite hitch on a furd exploder, drawtite recommended grade 5 fine thread @ 75flbs
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:46 PM   #109
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I am going to bump this to the top after I had to pull a framed Chevy full size out at Twisted this previous weekend. He went to drop the strap over the ball and I stopped in my tracks and very firmly told him that I will take my strap back unless he slides it into the receiver and uses the hitch pin not the ball.

He listened since his only other choice was a Subaru Legacy, a XJ, a stock TJ, or a Saturn wagon.

I haven't been wheeling very long myself but my dad has taken the time to F-ing drill proper recovery into my head. I hope that his lessons will allow me to keep my head attached when recovering someone.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #110
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I am going to bump this to the top after I had to pull a framed Chevy full size out at Twisted this previous weekend. He went to drop the strap over the ball and I stopped in my tracks and very firmly told him that I will take my strap back unless he slides it into the receiver and uses the hitch pin not the ball.

He listened since his only other choice was a Subaru Legacy, a XJ, a stock TJ, or a Saturn wagon.

I haven't been wheeling very long myself but my dad has taken the time to F-ing drill proper recovery into my head. I hope that his lessons will allow me to keep my head attached when recovering someone.
I'm not a fan of using the hitch pin either. With no steel insert alongside the receiver, the pin can bend making it almost impossible to get out of the receiver. Not using an insert changes the pin from being in shear to being in a bending moment.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 07:50 AM   #111
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I'm not a fan of using the hitch pin either. With no steel insert alongside the receiver, the pin can bend making it almost impossible to get out of the receiver. Not using an insert changes the pin from being in shear to being in a bending moment.
You do bring up a very valid point, the force required to bend the pin is less than shear it. To be honest, I would rather hammer a bent pin out than remove a 2 pound missile from my truck cab via the back window.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 07:55 AM   #112
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when I was in the army we had to "mouth" our hooks, that is to wind rope,wire or a leather belt (if the hook was big enough)around the open end of the hook after the hook was attached to whatever.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 08:27 AM   #113
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You do bring up a very valid point, the force required to bend the pin is less than shear it. To be honest, I would rather hammer a bent pin out than remove a 2 pound missile from my truck cab via the back window.
Agreed. The best solution is a proper tow point. An open receiver does not match that description.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 08:55 AM   #114
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It seems like I have to tell someone I come across stuck on a trail to not use the ball everytime out. Now that there are a few winches out with me everytime it seems I am not telling the ones in my group any longer.
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