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Old February 9th, 2009, 12:50 PM   #1
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Default opinions on rocks and valleys?

so after the big snow run this weekend. what did people think. I didnt make it so i have absolutely no opinion to give.

but what did others think of the park? was it big enough? When the snow is gone will it be challenging? how were the hosts? Was there anything the park is lacking, obstacle wise? How does it compare to other places you have been? etc....
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Old February 9th, 2009, 01:15 PM   #2
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great place, with no snow i think it will be more fun. i will be back
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Old February 9th, 2009, 04:30 PM   #3
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Snow def made it more challanging, but will still be fun in the summer. I would compare it to picker vally at twisted trails, just this is 200 acres of that kinda off camber big hill climb stuff.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #4
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My brother and I went and had allot of fun. We spent 5-6hrs there before we had to leave and didn't run all of it. The only thing we ran more than once was the main trail moving to the different areas. We can get around allot of places(I run 35's my brother 37's both V8 powered) but had to give up on some challenges due to the snow, so we will be back to conquer them.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #5
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2 thumbs up !!! great place great people! and they are ready to caetor to us !

will be back and will advertise for them !
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Old February 9th, 2009, 05:31 PM   #6
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we didnt even get to run 75% of the trails due to the snow. come back in spring, and you'll have a whole new park to play in. besides that, as soon as the snow breaks, we will be building like mad.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #7
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I think it totally depends on vehicle capability. I got denied a few times but I had my hardtop and spare on and I didn't have my front pull down hooked up. If I was running light weight with pull down, I think I would have gotten at least a couple of the obstacles that I backed out of. I'm not sure if it will get tougher or easier when the snow is gone. However, I can say that the place is great for deep snow runs.

I've run all the parks in the lower peninsula; Mounds, OSTC, St Helen and Twisted Trails. How to compare?
Mounds: The tight & twisties at the mounds are more challenging if you are willing to get body damage. But the mounds is much smaller.

OSTC: Regarding trails throught the woods, R&V is a larger parcel than OSTC and has more to offer. The only thing OSTC has are the couple bad ass hill climbs like Impossible Hill. There are several steep hill climbs out of the valley that had not been run in the snow. Since I didn't want to push trashing my hard top, I didn't try them. I'll be curious to see them when the snow is gone.

St Helen: No comparison. R&V is far better.

Twisted Trails: The open area at TT with the big holes & hills is quite challenging and so is Holy Moly. Both of these areas offer more challenges for the rig that has big tires & suspensions.

Regarding rocks: I'm told there are a bunch of rock challenges at R&V that are under the snow. We could tell several times that we drove over rocks under the snow but we couldn't determine the size or difficulty. So, it's totally unfair to compare the rocks to any other place. There was a steep rock face that looks like fun.

Conclusion; Great place with a lot of potential. The guys there are friendly and ambitious. I also found them to be practical regarding how to handle situations. Currently, I think it is a great place for the 35" and under crowd with a few challenges to bigger tires & horsepower.

Of the places I have listed, my worse to best BASED ON CHALLENGES would be in this order; St Helen, Mounds, OSTC, R&V and Twisted Trails.

Hope this helps.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #8
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First time anywhere. other then silverlake, loved it. Only really went into the gravel pit and played. I know there is alot more trails will be back in spring. And i only live less then 10 miles away. plan on trying out twisted trails this year when i go to the blessing of the jeeps in may. i am sure i will like TT also.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 07:33 PM   #9
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With the Snow things looked less than what was there to offer. The big valley has challenged some good size rigs and won in the summer. Due to the snow only 2 of the many hill climbs in that valley was climbed or attempted. The stoppie hill valley was not even touched and for the reason of sure body damage if tried. The rock wall wasn't even found and by the 16th of May I am positive there will be plenty of big boy play areas. The more use and suggestions that happen the better of place we will have. I like to here input and as a few guys who know me I like getting curative. Give me some wants and I will do my best to make it happen. We have work days and when doing so if anyone ant to come up and direct a certain kind of build we would be glad to put your name on it. Like Chads trail of tight twisting body testing fun. By the way when you coming and putting you name on another trail Chad?? Thanks for th input guy and glad you had good time and hope to see you in the weeks to come.
I am glad we have several areas to play in Michigan. With variety of places and I would think more to come. This state may becme wheeling state again without state land.

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Old February 9th, 2009, 08:12 PM   #10
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I think I was at the rock wall but not sure. Eric can comment. I'm looking forward to seeing the tight area.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 09:11 PM   #11
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I have been to St Helen and R&V, I like R&V more. However I cant comment to much as I am not allowed to drive yet! (hubby wont let me) Usually I am the one who cooks lunch for everyone and I was very sick this last time.. I will be bringing my YJ there this summer and then will be able to give you a better answer...
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Old February 9th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #12
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I noticed a fresh set of tracks up the rock wall, but they didn't crest it. Probably a bit slippery for the amount of vertical.

There are definitely a number of trails that were untouched even with the amount of rigs out there tearing things up. Probably a good choice because the ones that were left would have been HIGH risk for body damage with the snow.

I also have to say that a some of the prime challenges out there that were actually easier with the snow. Had to shake my head as I was watching a practically stock jeep cruising across the rock bed next to one of the main trails. Unlikely he'll be crossing that again after the thaw with 31's.

Overall I think White Rhino's assessment is pretty fair for the current state of the park. I know there are a lot of plans yet in the works.

One thing completely unassessed at this point is the mud trails and pits. None of that got touched yet. Must have had a bunch of smart wheelers this weekend.

So, that having been said, it's almost unfair to make a true assessment at this point.

Sure am happy everyone has such positive opinions. With the amount of limitations in place for using state land this park is a real asset to the Michigan off-road community. Makes a great legal destination for those people looking for a greater challenge than what state land has to offer.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 08:46 AM   #13
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i agree with scott
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I have enjoyed reading these assessments - I agree with what I've read and can't wait to see what else gets built this spring/summer. For a wrangler on 33's it gave me some challenges I felt good about after finishing.


I just wanted to note that the price was very far also - $15 a day is a deal for the park - They let us run for 3 hours Sunday to for $5 a rig too - Thanks for that!
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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:03 PM   #15
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white rhino tried the little rock wall, got tires towards top, but without his pull down winch, hard top on, and spare on back, decided to wait till spring to try again. and luckily noone found the mud pit. cant wait for spring.
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white rhino tried the little rock wall, got tires towards top, but without his pull down winch, hard top on, and spare on back, decided to wait till spring to try again. and luckily noone found the mud pit. cant wait for spring. and then made excuses why he couldn't make it.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 05:59 PM   #17
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Thanks for agreeing with lososjoyride00 since he was there, unlike someone who was invited but stayed home because the little woman said he couldn't go.

When do you want to go so you can show me how it's done.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 06:46 PM   #18
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Rocks and Valleys rocks!
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Old February 10th, 2009, 08:11 PM   #19
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i loved it
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I think it is a great place.
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