Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Fabrication and body armor
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino







Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 25th, 2009, 02:41 PM   #1
itchy
Senior Member
 
itchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-06
Location: Brownstown, MI. 48174
Posts: 2,858
iTrader: (44)
Feedback on the new MIller 165 Diversion TIG

Thinkin about buying the new Miller Diversion 165 AC/DC TIG welder. I know its pretty new but, does anyone have any experience with this machine?
Just lookin for some feedback about it. Not real familiar with the TIG process, so this will be my first machine. Couple people I've talked to dont seem to like the fact that the voltage control is on the torch, vs. the pedal. Gotta be some welders out there to help out a drunk painter
itchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #2
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 7,942
iTrader: (19)
i am not familiar with the machine but if you are not doing aluminum you dont need a voltage control on the torch or the pedal. it is a necesity for aluminum though. for aluminum i would prefer it on the torch because a foot pedal only works good if you are on the bench welding.
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 02:50 PM   #3
xj97sport
atv rider
 
xj97sport's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-08-08
Location: south west
Posts: 6,557
iTrader: (20)
http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...c_180_autoset/ i just got this one a few months ago and its pretty nice for shop use
xj97sport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #4
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 7,942
iTrader: (19)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthorrocks View Post
http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...c_180_autoset/ i just got this one a few months ago and its pretty nice for shop use
he wants a tig welder not a mig welder
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #5
xj97sport
atv rider
 
xj97sport's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-08-08
Location: south west
Posts: 6,557
iTrader: (20)
oh ... sorry my bad
xj97sport is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 05:22 PM   #6
Jasper_Jpr
Northwest Ohio Crawlers
 
Jasper_Jpr's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-08-07
Location: Jasper MI
Posts: 248
iTrader: (1)
Depends on how you are going to use it, and what your budget is. I am not familiar with that machine. I personally have a Lincoln Precision Tig 185, which Lincoln has replaced with the precision Tig 225. Same machine basically but a higher top end voltage. I love my 185 for home use. I would not be afraid of miller equipment I work with allot of it every day at work. I just chose Lincoln equipment because of the specs and dealer support (and pricing) for myself here at home.

Let me give you a few of my thoughts
I looked at the manual for this machine on Millers site and there are a few things I would consider about this machine before purchase.

It's going to be more of a sheet metal machine than a Roll bar and suspension links machine due to it's max output of 150A. 150A will get you to 1/8"-3/16" but it will be maxed out. Anything above that will probably have to be done multi pass

The torch and the ground cable are not detachable- this is not good for serviceability. It will probably have a premium replacement cost. This will limit you also if you want to change to a different style or manufacturer of torch.

The torch is only 12' long- I run a 25' torch to minimize having to move the machine all the time. For this same reason I run a 15' whip on my MIG machine.

The control on the torch is really not an issue it is more a matter of preference and conditions you are welding around. If you are laying under something welding it is hard to work a foot pedal. There is a foot pedal optional for the miller machine. It also looks to have a proprietary plug on it so replacements and options will be limited.

The thing I personally would not like is the lack of manual control for, Post flow, AC balance, and Frequency Control. This stuff doesn't mean much for a beginner but can be helpful as you get more into Tig.

If this is all the machine you would ever need I would not be afraid to get one. I always tend to think of the future. I hate to buy something that I will out grow and end up spending more than if I would have upgraded from the start.

Welders are allot like Jeeps once you get started their's no end lol.

I started with a TSC Hobart 180 suitcase MIG machine Which I still have and use for light work up to 1/4" and a Oxy/Acet set but that started the ball rolling. Now my arsenal also includes a Lincoln Ranger EXT generator/welder with a LN-25 PRO wire feeder attachment 100' power cables, grounds, and gas hose the Precision Tig 185 and tons of miscellanies stuff. Now I'm looking for a Plasma Cutter

Check out the www.millerwelds.com and www.lincolnelectric.com Their is good info on both sites. Tips and tricks, manuals specs etc. They both also have a nice monthly e-news letter that has allot of good info.

But the most important thing I can say is BUY FROM A SHOP THAT WILL TALK
TO YOU AND HELP YOU AND WILL SELL WHAT YOU NEED AND NOT WHAT THEY NEED TO GET RID OF OR THEY HAVE BETTER MARK UPS ON. There is some excellent pricing on the net for welders but it's hard to get support from someone states away I have a local shop but prefer to drive 45 miles to someone I trust. These guys have been wonderful to me. /www.aaweldingsupply.com.
Jasper_Jpr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 05:54 PM   #7
itchy
Senior Member
 
itchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-06
Location: Brownstown, MI. 48174
Posts: 2,858
iTrader: (44)
" If this is all the machine you would ever need I would not be afraid to get one. I always tend to think of the future. I hate to buy something that I will out grow and end up spending more than if I would have upgraded from the start. "




Thats exactly what I'm worried about. I currently have been doing everything with my Miller 135. Been a great machine, but have kinda out-grown it. And if I'm to purchase another welder, I would rather get one thats going to do the job without hvaing to upgrade in a few years. Ju7st figured instead of buying a bigger MIG, why not go with the TIG. But with prices in the 2-3 thousand $ range the 165 seemed ideal. But again dont really now what its capabillites are. I want something that I can weld thicker metals with out pre-heating and double passes. Thanks for the input Jasper.
itchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 05:57 PM   #8
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 7,942
iTrader: (19)
do you want aluminum capabilities or are you using it for ss and mild steel?
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 06:10 PM   #9
itchy
Senior Member
 
itchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-06
Location: Brownstown, MI. 48174
Posts: 2,858
iTrader: (44)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadcooper55 View Post
do you want aluminum capabilities or are you using it for ss and mild steel?
All of the above

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/tig/diversion_165/
itchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 06:30 PM   #10
jhnyquest
goof ball
 
jhnyquest's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-26-08
Location: West Olive
Posts: 23,255
iTrader: (16)
Always go atleast one step up from what you think you will ever need. Check out Craigslist there are people all over the place selling slightly used welders at a fraction of the cost of new. If you are buying a name brand such as Miller any dealer is going to be able to service it if and when anything goes wrong, just make sure you are able to try the machine before purchasing. I just bought a Miller 251 mig from a guy off craigslist for 1/3 of the new price the welder still has a year and a half of factory warranty and works flawlessly. I noticed that he had many tig welders as well. PM me if you'd like his number.
jhnyquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 06:32 PM   #11
unclebeaner
can you hear the banjos?
 
unclebeaner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-04-06
Location: Flat Rock 48134
Posts: 8,614
iTrader: (65)
no stupid ass he isnt asking what the machine can do but what do you want? jasper is correct about post flow ect which makes life easier.honestly i get something with a water cooler torch. again my preferance but it will help. syncrowave 250 is what you need nigga buy that shit up
__________________
Avid collector of useless things.
unclebeaner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #12
itchy
Senior Member
 
itchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-06
Location: Brownstown, MI. 48174
Posts: 2,858
iTrader: (44)
Quote:
Originally Posted by unclebeaner View Post
no stupid ass he isnt asking what the machine can do but what do you want? jasper is correct about post flow ect which makes life easier.honestly i get something with a water cooler torch. again my preferance but it will help. syncrowave 250 is what you need nigga buy that shit up
ALL THE ABOVE STUPID ASS

I asked what people thought of the 165, not MIG welders or syncro what evers.
Just want to know if anyone has used this machine and what they think of it.
I know there are a sh!t ton of better and more pricey machines, but was wondering about this one since Kevin at Bakers was going to give me a hell of a deal on it, thats all. I dont have $3000 to buy a badass TIG.

Last edited by itchy; January 25th, 2009 at 07:27 PM.
itchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 07:36 PM   #13
95geo
newbie
 
95geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: dryden
Posts: 5,774
iTrader: (6)
I was in the same position and ponied up for a syncrowave 250dx.... not a single regret. and for what it's worth I have built every vehicle with a millermatic 150 mig from about 1994... it will weld up to 3/8" if you know what you are doing with the joints. I usually weld on 50-75% output... 1/8"-3/16" material.
95geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #14
unclebeaner
can you hear the banjos?
 
unclebeaner's Avatar
 
Join Date: 04-04-06
Location: Flat Rock 48134
Posts: 8,614
iTrader: (65)
how about a microwave
__________________
Avid collector of useless things.
unclebeaner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #15
itchy
Senior Member
 
itchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-06
Location: Brownstown, MI. 48174
Posts: 2,858
iTrader: (44)
Quote:
Originally Posted by unclebeaner View Post
how about a microwave
NOPE! Got one, thanks though
itchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 25th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #16
Jasper_Jpr
Northwest Ohio Crawlers
 
Jasper_Jpr's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-08-07
Location: Jasper MI
Posts: 248
iTrader: (1)
Does the shop where you are looking at this machine have a demo unit? If so ask if you can play with it, or if you can't Tig yet take a buddy if you can. Try it out. Our local shop doesn't have a set up to try things out or I would stop and play with one myself to see how they are. ("Bakers was going to give me a hell of a deal on it") Not knowing what that is, the Miller list is $1617.00 (I found it on the net for $1275.00) for the base machine. And if you want a foot pedal it list for $150.00 (found for $135.00 on the net) Check these guys out
www.harrisweldingsupplies.com They have the Miller Econo Tig (Which is the next step up from the Diversion™ 165 ) For $1535.00, and the Lincoln Precision TIG 225 for $1775.00 Both of these have free shipping, and I don't think any sales tax but not sure. It might only be $200-$400 to upgrade to the next size machine. One other advantage to the next step up machines is that they will stick weld also. This may not matter to you but thought I would tell you. If you want to weld thicker metals one pass I would lean toward the Lincoln because of it's 225A max. Also remember the Tig will require a different type of gas than the MIG. For home use 100% Argon will suit your needs so take into account the cost of another bottle of gas. Here is another net source also www.cyberweld.com I hope I'm not confusing you. Good Luck.
Jasper_Jpr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26th, 2009, 11:34 AM   #17
tigman250
Member
 
Join Date: 01-21-09
Location: Michigan
Posts: 36
iTrader: (0)
what are you planning on building with it? suspension and roll cage? or just some body pannels? the reason i ask is it has a 20% duty cycle at 150 amps, if you are welding cage and suspension components you will be constantly shutting it down due to overheating.
tigman250 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #18
itchy
Senior Member
 
itchy's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-11-06
Location: Brownstown, MI. 48174
Posts: 2,858
iTrader: (44)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tigman250 View Post
what are you planning on building with it? suspension and roll cage? or just some body pannels? the reason i ask is it has a 20% duty cycle at 150 amps, if you are welding cage and suspension components you will be constantly shutting it down due to overheating.
Yes that is the plan, to use this for the major fab work, like 1/4" plate for suspension brakets, and rollcage. I've got my 135 for all my sheetmetal work. This is what I've been using for everything, but gets to be a pain in the ass, and a lot of prep work to weld anything more than 3/16ths.
itchy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26th, 2009, 06:22 PM   #19
chadcooper55
expert jeep disassembler
 
chadcooper55's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-28-08
Location: kent city mi
Posts: 7,942
iTrader: (19)
i cant do aluminum but for steel i use my 250 amp lincoln arc welder with 100% duty cycle and an air cooled torch. no adjustable amperage on the torch or foot pedal, they just get in the way. i use it for all of my fab work. works great!
chadcooper55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 26th, 2009, 06:24 PM   #20
Jeeperz Creeperz
Senior Member
 
Jeeperz Creeperz's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-08-05
Location: Wyandotte, MI
Posts: 3,115
iTrader: (13)
Send a message via ICQ to Jeeperz Creeperz Send a message via AIM to Jeeperz Creeperz Send a message via MSN to Jeeperz Creeperz Send a message via Yahoo to Jeeperz Creeperz
Quote:
Originally Posted by itchy View Post
Yes that is the plan, to use this for the major fab work, like 1/4" plate for suspension brakets, and rollcage.
Get something bigger than what you're looking at.

I'd recommend something in the 250-300 (amp) range, minimum.
Jeeperz Creeperz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Fabrication and body armor
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:07 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2005 - 2012 Cracker Enterprises - Powered by Linux
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=
Page generated in 0.23825 seconds with 50 queries