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Old January 19th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #1
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Some friends asked me to go to some trails they knew about today. I didn't want to go because its Michigan and there can't be any good places to go. I used to live near them and I know my parents took 3-wheelers and trucks out there, and never once had an issue.

It showed up on my GPS as roads, and there were stop signs. I think they are seasonal roads, but didn't see a sign saying that. It was off of Norris Rd, a little north of Orangeville. The main road is Norris, it comes to a "T" with Wildwood Rd. If you go east it is W. Sager Rd. We followed it down to Shaw Rd before turning back. There are a lot of crossroads on the GPS, even lists addresses. We didn't pass any houses, but there were stop signs.

I know there is something about being legal if passable by 2wd cars or something, which aside from the snow I'm sure it would have been. We didn't go off the "road" at all, and didn't do any donuts or anything stupid.


I just want to make sure it is legal before I go back. If it wasn't, I will just stick to my backyard for now.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 12:12 PM   #2
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If there were no signs saying motorized vehicles prohibited or road closed or anything of that nature I would say you were well within your legalities
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Old January 20th, 2009, 12:59 PM   #3
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If there were no signs saying motorized vehicles prohibited or road closed or anything of that nature I would say you were well within your legalities
I didn't see anything like that. There were some gates blocking side roads, but we did not pass them. Just stayed on the main one.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 07:02 PM   #4
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Sounds like it may be a county road by your constant references to road names and Seasonal road signs.
Contact the County road commission the roads are in. Get the official map of county roads. Inquire with them as to the County status of the road. i.e is it abandoned or does the County still retain maintenance control. Is there DNR State land anywhere near this road? Might indicate a possible 'trap' which we have seen in other jurisdictions. Next you should get the County Plat map which shows property ownership. Available from the Registere of Deeds in each county. Depending on which County it is, someone here may have access to that Plat Map. See if the private roads that the closed signs are on have ownership that extends to the center of the road. If it does it's most likely private. If it shows an easement you almost on your way to knowing if your legal or not.
Next, is this road passable by a 2WD vehicle during the summer months? If it is, it most likely is OK as long as it's a County road or easement and their are no private road signs nor any 'Road Closed' signs erected by the county.
Kind of a lot of work, isn't it?
This is why many people get tickets cause they just saw an open road and started driving down it.
You're doing the right thing by asking 'how do I know'?
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Old January 20th, 2009, 07:14 PM   #5
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they are "roads" through the Barry State game area, and they are very passable by 2wd in non-winter conditions. But they are not county maintained.......more or less still there to access hunting spots etc..

I live on the north side of Gun Lake
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Old January 20th, 2009, 07:17 PM   #6
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Hey Chad,

Good to see someone else from Richland!

As the others said, sounds perfectly legal to me.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?client=f...4,0.11055&z=13

w. sager road
shaw rd
are the "roads" in question

just to the north
Hart rd
peets rd

are the same style "roads"

These are your basic one lane trails through the woods used to gain access to hunting spots





And if i am not mistaken the new law/rule is its illegal unless otherwise posted.......so if not posted open and its unmarked were suppose to assume its not legal. I beleive that is the new stipulations set by the DNR............Correct me if i am wrong.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #8
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yep those are the two tracks threw the state game area..and legal...i live just south of them in orangeville
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http://maps.google.com/maps?client=f...4,0.11055&z=13

w. sager road
shaw rd
are the "roads" in question

just to the north
Hart rd
peets rd

are the same style "roads"

These are your basic one lane trails through the woods used to gain access to hunting spots





And if i am not mistaken the new law/rule is its illegal unless otherwise posted.......so if not posted open and its unmarked were suppose to assume its not legal. I beleive that is the new stipulations set by the DNR............Correct me if i am wrong.
Actually that rule is for unlicensed ATV and M/C. Street licensed P.A. 300 vehicles can go as long as you can traverse the road in a 2WD Conventional vehicle. Unless it has an orange ORV Route or Trail marker, in which case 4WD usage is legal.
State Game areas present an entirely different scenario. State Game areas are purchased and maintained by the Pittman/Robertson fund which is a tax on ammunition. The intent for these roads is as you stated, 'access to hunting spots'. DNR does not take kindly to use of these road as recreational playgrounds. Roads through Game areas would be held to the same standard as Forest roads in that you must NOT drive 'in an erosive manner'. Meaning you can't go rooting through the area in 2WD. A sure fired way to get 'noticed' by DNR. Most Game area that I'm familiar with (Lapeer) are plainly marked and shouldn't present a problem.
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I think they would be passable in a 2wd without the snow.

It is just south of Yankee Springs, actually from the intersection we turned on you could see the Yankee Springs sign down the road.
The map posted above is right on the spot. We were on Norris and turned east onto W. Sagar. There were stop signs at McKibble and I think Shaw, where we turned around and headed back.

When I was younger, I lived on Mullen and my parents and everybody that lived around there went down these roads and at the time knew it was legal.

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And if i am not mistaken the new law/rule is its illegal unless otherwise posted.......so if not posted open and its unmarked were suppose to assume its not legal. I beleive that is the new stipulations set by the DNR............Correct me if i am wrong.
Well having the stopsigns and roadnames on the GPS would be marked, wouldn't it? The only sign I saw was on a blocked road it said No Tresspassing. That blocked area did not show up on the GPS and we did not go down it.
Toy4x4boy, where in Richland do you live. I'm sure we've seen each other.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 08:00 PM   #11
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............Correct me if i am wrong.
kb8ymf corrected me, i weas mistaken

FWIW i travel those "roads" all the time.

BAck whe your parents used to ride those trails, that was a completely different time. In the real early 90's and before this area was torn to hell by ORV users and many areas within the game area were "party" spots. Majority of all the gates you see that have locks are used for forest fire access. All the perma gates/barriers are to keep wheeled traffic off those "old" trails.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 09:08 PM   #12
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Actually, its just a subforum on something. You and Joe are good at stalking, you will probably find in in a few minutes.
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this isnt it...When he posted that he had some info no one had posted here yet...So it couldnt be it. fail.
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