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Old December 29th, 2008, 08:56 PM   #1
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Front spring opions ??

I have a 85 toyota truck, has a 350, 1tons, and 44's. Cant really afford to link it right now (like to get it going to go wheeling some time this year) so my ? is has any body run any thing other then rears up front and waggy springs.

Right now i have 85 toy rear springs up front. Miss matched combo of stock rears and 7in skyjacker fronts. Love them but im looking to move the front farther forward to clear the tires so ill still have some cab left.

Was thinking about using the main leaf from a 89+ rear (there what 51" eye to eye right over the 48" eye to eye pre 89)

I have to make a new hanger for the front either way cuz the 1tons so its no big deal to make the mount out futher.

Just looking for somthing longer. Any other opions out there. Thanks for any input

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Old December 29th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #2
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79-85 Toyota front
Flat length = 45"
Front Half = 22.5"
Rear Half = 22.5"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 18mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID


79-83 Toyota Rear
Flat length = 48"
Front Half = 21.125"
Rear Half = 26.875"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 18mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID


84-88 Toyota Rear
Flat length = 48"
Front Half = 20.5"
Rear Half = 27.5"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 14mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID


89-95 Toyota Rear
Flat length = 51"
Front Half = 21.5"
Rear Half = 29.5"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 14mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID

But the above for my own refence so i cant lose it
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Old December 29th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #3
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44044 SPRINGS
44044s are Rancho Jeep Wagoneer Lift Springs.
Length: 47" (Length is eye to eye)
Center Pin split (front/rear) 22.5"/24.5"
Bushing: 2 3/4" & 3"
Lift: 5.25 - 5.5" (Lift is approximate and uses 1.5" longer than stock shackles giving 3/4" of lift)
Cost: $250 (Cost is for both sides incl. shipping/give or take)
44044's do not (by themselves) move your axle forward. They are the same length on the front half as stock toys (22.5"). While they do move the axle forward because of the lift they provide (arch in spring), when they compress to the point that they are flat, it's the same. Estimated 1/2" of actual axle relocation forward.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #4
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WAGONEER / WAGGY SPRINGS
These are stock Jeep Wagoneer Springs
Length: 47" (Length is eye to eye)
Bushing: 3"
Lift: 3.5 - 3.75"
Cost: $200 New, $60-$100 Used
From JcWhitney.com:
1976 - 1992 Jeep Wagoneer, Front Leaf Spring
7 Heavy-duty Leaves #07ZX2048P $99.95 Ea
5 Leaves #07ZX2047B $84.95 Ea
The 7 leaf is supposed to be the ones you are looking for.
Pinion angle can be an issue if you just bolt waggs to the stock location. If you have dropped hanger or dual cases the problem is lessened.
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Old December 29th, 2008, 09:06 PM   #5
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Oo i like this page.

http://www.4x4spot.com/misc__spring_information.htm




Liken the 57in ranger ones, with some added leafs. Remount the shackle and make a crossmember for the front. Just bolt them to the axle with the tire were i want it and my the mounts.
83 Ford Ranger 2wd rear - Flat length-57" Front Half-25.5" Rear Half-31.5" Width-2.50"

So now that i have found some different #s whats every ones opion

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Old December 30th, 2008, 06:36 AM   #6
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My experience is I bough the 44044's and they were too stiff and too tall. I took the upper 2 from the 44044 pack and the lower 5 from a stock 7 leaf waggy pack and made my own "hybrid" 7 leaf pack that is super flexy, a good height, and rides nice.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #7
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My experience is I bough the 44044's and they were too stiff and too tall. I took the upper 2 from the 44044 pack and the lower 5 from a stock 7 leaf waggy pack and made my own "hybrid" 7 leaf pack that is super flexy, a good height, and rides nice.
The 44044 might be jist about the right spring rate for him the the V8 in the truck. I dont think you will get the front out any further with out linking it. the other option is tubing the back of the front fender well. You could build a new front hanger for the springs and move it forward and inch or two.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #8
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Time to reword it. Dont want to swap out to waggys or 44044s. Right now i already have toy rears up front and love them. Have tons of flex and ride nice. This is what there are top to bottom
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85 rear main
85 rear 2nd leaf mil rapped
6in front 2nd leaf
85 rear 3rd leaf
6in front 3rd leaf
6in front 4th leaf
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What im looking for is a leaf spring that is longer then the 48" i have now, but not quite the 57" from a ranger. If i could find somthing like 54 or somthing then i can drill the center pin were i want it if its not in the right spot. I already have to make a new front cross member because the d60 spring mounts are father apart then the toy axles so its no big deal to move it 2in forward.

Im most likly going to tub the fire wall, but that is only so much. Like to clear the 44s and still be pretty low. I know im not going to be super low, but dont what no big dum mud truck

If i can find a deal on some coilovers id link the front in a heart beat, but dont want to wait that long to wheel my own stuff. Havnt done any real wheeling with it since opening weekend at silver lake this year.
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Old December 30th, 2008, 06:01 PM   #9
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Old December 30th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #10
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You'll just break anyway. Oh yeah you gonna fix the back of your frame before your 1tons just rip it apart? or we'll cross that bridge when we get to it right!!
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Old December 31st, 2008, 09:20 PM   #11
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You'll just break anyway. Oh yeah you gonna fix the back of your frame before your 1tons just rip it apart? or we'll cross that bridge when we get to it right!!

What can i stay i like the shinny pedal, you know that from the last time i got you with clumps of mud in your backyard Might just have to link it and run bags with you.

But yea i do plan on fixing the frame. That wont last much more wheeling the way it is
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