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Old December 21st, 2008, 04:22 PM   #41
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Old December 21st, 2008, 06:02 PM   #42
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Well when we get done arguing who is better just take a ride past the local emergency room and see what's coming to get you when it's truly a matter of life or death. I'm just glad to say next year when I buy my new ford, I won't be paying interest for a loan of my own tax money and my truck payment to boot. I find it comical how GM is soo good but they get the most of the welfare check.

most ambulance manufacturers (coach builders) use both GM and Ford, as well as the likes of freight liner and others when stepping up to the big boys...

http://www.aev.com/main.php?p=model

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http://millercoach.com/Type2pix.htm

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idk.. seems like everyone in here is liking GM cars and trucks.

are those sales between the newer gm trucks and suv's against the "old" if you will f-150? The new ones i like a lot better. alot of this is personal opinion you would think.

In my opinion i would rather not buy a gm vehicle. My family has had them before in the past few years and there was nothing but problems and they were pieces of crap. alot of them have switched to fords and for my mom for instance hasnt had a problem of any kind since 2001 with 3 different cars. I like the looks of the f series also but thats my opinion
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idk.. seems like everyone in here is liking GM cars and trucks.

are those sales between the newer gm trucks and suv's against the "old" if you will f-150? The new ones i like a lot better. alot of this is personal opinion you would think.

In my opinion i would rather not buy a gm vehicle. My family has had them before in the past few years and there was nothing but problems and they were pieces of crap. alot of them have switched to fords and for my mom for instance hasnt had a problem of any kind since 2001 with 3 different cars. I like the looks of the f series also but thats my opinion
anything fwd I would have to agree with, unless it had the legendary 3800 series motor. their transverse 3.4L and derivatives were complete heaps of shit

GM's full sizes have had some issues (piston slap, and the IP Panel TSB/Recall come to mind) but otherwise seemingly run forever.
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most ambulance manufacturers (coach builders) use both GM and Ford, as well as the likes of freight liner and others when stepping up to the big boys...

http://www.aev.com/main.php?p=model

http://www.braunambulances.com/products

http://millercoach.com/Type2pix.htm

http://www.frazerbilt.com/flash.php
Better yet, That shows there ARE more offerings but why are 90% running ford's? I have alway's refered to the small block chevy as a welfare motor, Now it has really came true!
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If Ford hadn't already gone bankrupt a few years back they wouldn't have already started an action plan. That is the only reason that is keeping them from getting the same funding.

So what, Ford got a contract to build the Emergency vehicles...

GM doesn't offer an ambulance package. I don't believe GM offers a diesel in a van body either and that is what fleet managers want.
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Better yet, That shows there ARE more offerings but why are 90% running ford's? I have alway's refered to the small block chevy as a welfare motor, Now it has really came true!

Welfare motor? I've had a ton of fun on welfare then!
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Welfare motor? I've had a ton of fun on welfare then!
Me too, Shhhhh!

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Better yet, That shows there ARE more offerings but why are 90% running ford's? I have alway's refered to the small block chevy as a welfare motor, Now it has really came true!
I see just as many GM heavy duty truck chassis as fords for ambulances and/or ALS units as I do other models.

*shrug*

I'd love to see sale reputable sales stats to support your impression of 90% running fords...

that all being said, I thought you were fanning Ford based on the F150's sales figures... seems like you were crapping on Chad for referencing the GM product lines as being roughly equivalent under the GMC/Chevy badges... how or why this hijacked into ambulances is beyond me.

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GM doesn't offer an ambulance package. I don't believe GM offers a diesel in a van body either and that is what fleet managers want.
GM nor Ford really offer ambulance packages per se' - the vast majority are built, and equipped by aftermarket coach builders.

same thing with conversion vans.

here's a GMC standard body Van chassis running a duramax as an example.

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I see just as many GM heavy duty truck chassis as fords for ambulances and/or ALS units as I do other models.

*shrug*

I'd love to see sale reputable sales stats to support your impression of 90% running fords...
You're as full of shit as a Christmas Goose! All other BS aside, There are far more Ford ambulances than any other and everyone including you know it. What be the reason I can't say, But it is a fact!
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You're as full of shit as a Christmas Goose! All other BS aside, There are far more Ford ambulances than any other and everyone including you know it. What be the reason I can't say, But it is a fact!
who cares?

I drive an f150 and i love it. But you're making all people who drive a Ford look like a tool bag. Give it a rest man
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I'm 99% sure Ford offers an ambulance package. The unit comes off the assembly line as an incomplete and goes off to an ambulance builder for finish up. Ford installs some things in the package like much larger alternator, electrical hook-ups, etc.
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I'm 99% sure Ford offers an ambulance package. The unit comes off the assembly line as an incomplete and goes off to an ambulance builder for finish up. Ford installs some things in the package like much larger alternator, electrical hook-ups, etc.
Yes they do. You are right.

Deiselman, just stop, theres no winning this one. I guess I'm a Ford guy. I drive a 01 250, but I wouldn't mind a Cummins either. Hell, if you ask me, the new GMC HD is the best looking truck on the market. The "my brand's best" arguement will always be a matter of opinion.

On that note, my Powerstroke is the best motor ever and it will crush whatever you drive.
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who cares?

I drive an f150 and i love it. But you're making all people who drive a Ford look like a tool bag. Give it a rest man
Only you mullett man, I've just been milking this one for mileage since post #8 Like playing with drunk kittens!
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I'm building a 61 Ford f100 rat rod with a Chevy motor in it and a Chrysler front suspension. All the purists are going crazy.
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You're as full of shit as a Christmas Goose! All other BS aside, There are far more Ford ambulances than any other and everyone including you know it. What be the reason I can't say, But it is a fact!
until you can cite some reliable stats, it's an OPINION. An opinion you and I disagree on based on perception, and perhaps regional observations - observations that are statistically insignificant - just like the volume of ambulance sales vs. sales of other motor vehicles in North America. If it were meaningful, the OEMs would make the ambulances in the first place, instead of relying upon the coach builders...

I drive a freaking Mazda so I don't care who wins in the miniscule market of crash-cart sales.

As I said, for the larger ALS units, I see a shit ton of GM 4500 series or larger, as well as the Freightliners and other medium duty chassis as any other.
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I'm 99% sure Ford offers an ambulance package. The unit comes off the assembly line as an incomplete and goes off to an ambulance builder for finish up. Ford installs some things in the package like much larger alternator, electrical hook-ups, etc.
I'd be interested if there's any parallel's to the packages they offer the conversion van coach builders.

GM offers those too. *Shrug*

since we're citing insignificant statistics, I don't need an over priced ride to the hospital unless, since "90% of the time", by the time they show up anywhere I usually could walk there.

on the other hand, my Dad has been in a couple of ALS units over the years, all were medium duty chassis, and none were Fords. *shrug*
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I'd be interested if there's any parallel's to the packages they offer the conversion van coach builders.

GM offers those too. *Shrug*

since we're citing insignificant statistics, I don't need an over priced ride to the hospital unless, since "90% of the time", by the time they show up anywhere I usually could walk there.

on the other hand, my Dad has been in a couple of ALS units over the years, all were medium duty chassis, and none were Fords. *shrug*
I'm not really a Ford guy. My wife is a Paramedic so I get some inside information now and then. Ford was going to discontinue the E350 diesel not too long ago and the ambulance purchasers went crazy because there are not too many other options out there for a van style rig.
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I'm not really a Ford guy. My wife is a Paramedic so I get some inside information now and then. Ford was going to discontinue the E350 diesel not too long ago and the ambulance purchasers went crazy because there are not too many other options out there for a van style rig.
there are other options, it's just that they aren't as cheap as the pre-packaged stuff.

One can get a GM van with the duramax for a van crash-cart as evidenced by the links I already provided - AEV is just one coach builder offering them.

Our Ford guy in the thread appears to like hollow victories - if in fact Ford dominates one particular category of a very statistically insignificant market place, perhaps it's because they're willing to use that market segment as a loss-leader, and the competition chooses to concentrate efforts elsewhere?

Attempting to correlate it in the direction that one is "better" based on such a narrow market is a bout as silly as this overall argument...
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