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Old December 20th, 2008, 05:09 PM   #1
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

All the more reason to be a Ford person...
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Old December 20th, 2008, 06:20 PM   #2
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right... I'm fairly certain everyone working for Ford is gloating, and supremely confident in their career, benefits, and the long term viability of the corporation...

the shit hit the fan earlier at Ford, while the economy was in a slightly better position so they started their turn around efforts earlier.

Chrysler was bled by Daimler, and GM has been way too large, with too much divisional product overlap for decades.
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the shit hit the fan earlier at Ford, while the economy was in a slightly better position so they started their turn around efforts earlier.

Chrysler was bled by Daimler, and GM has been way too large, with too much divisional product overlap for decades.
You pretty much summed it up.
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All the more reason to be a Ford person...
Now if only they could build a good motor that they used for more then 2 years
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right... I'm fairly certain everyone working for Ford is gloating, and supremely confident in their career, benefits, and the long term viability of the corporation...

the shit hit the fan earlier at Ford, while the economy was in a slightly better position so they started their turn around efforts earlier.

Chrysler was bled by Daimler, and GM has been way too large, with too much divisional product overlap for decades.
Ford is cutting 10% more salary payroll come January.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 10:27 AM   #6
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I don't really like Fords because they can be a real pain in the ass to work on plus Ford isn't very good about getting it's technical information out to the aftermarket world (even though the law says thay have to).

With that said I'm glad to see Ford standing on their own two feet.
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Ford mortgaged everything to the hilt as part of their plan to restructure. This was done before the markets collapsed and the banks stopped lending money. They have enough money now, but may have to approach the government later this year if the economy keeps taking.

Chrysler started their restructuring plan a couple of years ago too, but was caught in a situation where they could not ride out this kind of a major downturn.
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I would rather push a chevy then drive a ford. They have one vehicle I like and the EPA killed it with all of the aftertreatment bullshit on the engine and thats the superduty diesels. I'd never consider a new ford at this point.
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I would rather push a chevy then drive a ford. They have one vehicle I like and the EPA killed it with all of the aftertreatment bullshit on the engine and thats the superduty diesels. I'd never consider a new ford at this point.
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I would rather push a chevy then drive a ford. They have one vehicle I like and the EPA killed it with all of the aftertreatment bullshit on the engine and thats the superduty diesels. I'd never consider a new ford at this point.
x2 i would dive a ford Taurus actually. their trucks suck balls.
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http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/auto...t-selling-cars

The F-150 attracted 473,933 buyers this year, making it the No. 1-selling vehicle for 2008--it's been the best-selling vehicle in America for 27 years running. Another 431,725 buyers drove off Chevrolet lots in a Silverado.

There's a reason they have been on top for 27 years in a row. While they are fine for commuting, There is nothing the silverado has over the F-150.

We have another live one! A Taurus? I don't think I'd drive one of those!
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who the hell drives a half ton? the duramax is a better engine and the allisons are excellent transmissions. the ride quality and the interior in the Chevrolet are top notch. plus they cost less. I heard a rumor ford just took out a big mortgage?
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And GM's now on Welfare!

Who the hell drives a half ton?

473,933 people are driving new one's just this year alone.

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And GM's now on Welfare!
either way, they both had to take loans to stay afloat. i would rather borrow money from uncle sam than borrow it from a banker, he is a little more understanding. wait until the Chinese end up taking possession of ford.
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sad day ... i agree with steveo .... the duramax is wayyyy better then any ford truck
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either way, they both had to take loans to stay afloat. i would rather borrow money from uncle sam than borrow it from a banker, he is a little more understanding. wait until the Chinese end up taking possession of ford.

i cant wait. ive always wondered what a hyundai, or daewoo motor would do in an f150. gotta be a step up :-D
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sad day ... i agree with steveo .... the duramax is wayyyy better then any ford truck
Yeah! They really topped the charts didn't they?
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i cant wait. ive always wondered what a hyundai, or daewoo motor would do in an f150. gotta be a step up :-D
Possibly, GM didn't do too bad with the Isuzu diesel.

I'm thankfull Ford has chosen to keep its' integrity intact and solve it's problems without burdening us in the process.

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The F-150 attracted 473,933 buyers this year, making it the No. 1-selling vehicle for 2008--it's been the best-selling vehicle in America for 27 years running. Another 431,725 buyers drove off Chevrolet lots in a Silverado.
There's a reason they have been on top for 27 years in a row. While they are fine for commuting, There is nothing the silverado has over the F-150.

We have another live one! A Taurus? I don't think I'd drive one of those!
Thats cute, so Ford sold 42,000 more F150's then General Motors sold Silverado's. How many Sierra's did General Motors sell?


I rest my case.
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Here's january 2008 for you.

Ford F-Series
41,125 -8.4% YTD
Jan 2008: 41,125
Jan 2007: 44,919 lost 3794 units

Chevrolet Silverado
36,122 -5.9% YTD
Jan 2008: 36,122
Jan 2007: 38,393 lost 2271 units


GMC Sierra
13,200 +0.4% YTD
Jan 2008: 13,200
Jan 2007: 13,147 gained 53 units



Seems if you do the math more people are buying the truck from General Motors, but what the hell do I know, the f150 is on the top of the list
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