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Old November 29th, 2009, 06:47 PM   #101
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Can't wait for spring time to pay the mighty Robocon to teach me how to drive. Maybe I wont be so scared of those big rocks.
I've heard something about air pressure and it's relation to traction but I just don't get it yet. Looking forward to learning.

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You can use you differential ( The big round thing under the front of rig ) To push those rock out of the way so you can drive around them. 30 PSI gives you extra clearence TOO
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:16 PM   #103
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30 psi works the best................ honest.
You are not a certified Jeep Skool instructor, please keep your comments to yourself. I've received enough advise from armatures in my wheeling life time.

I'm looking for directions from a pro. Someone that's traveled the country, wheeling at many different locations and different terrain.
That's why I'm willing to pay for a proper education.
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I just scratched "Jeep Stool" off my list of places to wheel....
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Yep, I doubt you will ever see our group there either
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Old November 29th, 2009, 07:34 PM   #106
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haters...you guys are mad because this guy could teach you a thing or two...I mean if you wer so smart you would have your won jeep skools
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I am one of the volunteer staff members at JeepSkool. I am not here to become engaged in an argument. I was directed here from Pirate 4x4 where I responded to a similar thread. I am just going to copy/paste my reply from Pirate. I just hope to add a little bit of clarity as to what JeepSkool is all about as well as when a heavy equipment recovery is necessary.

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The "skooling" is just a quick safety meeting that all guests of Jeep Skool and Southington Hunt club must go through. It is just a quick and painless here are the rules of the property and some general safety and wheeling tips for the new guys.



Thats exactly what JeepSkool is. There is an excellent staff to help out when requested, but we generally give a tour of the property to new guests so that they can get they lay of the land (this trail ride is in no way mandatory but will greatly help you learn where to go and where to stay away from).

There is a JeepSkool event the first weekend of every month. Thats this weekend (Dec 6,7, Jan 2,3 etc). If you would like to come see what JeepSkool is really about let me know and I will show you some of the fun spots on the property. I'm not sure what your rig is set up like but I can guarantee that there is something to entertain you.




No one is praying on new Jeep owners or guys that are new to the sport.:shaking:

In regards to the GL4x4 thread, if you get stuck, you are more than welcome to use your winch, a strap, a come-along, a highlift jack, an ARB x-jack or what ever un-sticking equipment you have to get un-stuck. If you are still unable to recover yourself, you are welcome to radio for a staff member to come help you. Most of the staff has 8000, 9000, or 12000 lb winches. In the almost year and a half that I have been going to JeepSkool, I can not recall one time that a vehicle has not been able to be recovered using another Jeep with NO MONEY BEING EXCHANGED.

The $500 fee comes into play when a vehicle has broken in a way that it can not be easily repaired on the trail and will destroy the trail dragging it out.

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Last spring a 4cyl TJ on 34" LTBs got stuck in a mud hole and dug his rear axle under a ledge. In the process of pulling him out, the rear axle was pulled under the jeep(bent control arms, broke track bar, etc). In this case, the only reasonable solution was to use a bull dozer (excuse me for not knowing technical terms) to lift the rear of the Jeep and drag him off the trail to an area that he could be loaded on a trailer.

This summer a ZJ on 33 LTBs broke his steering gear box. I'm not 100% sure but I believe that the box sheared from the frame as well as breaking internally. Again in this case, the only reasonable solution (for the owner of the Jeep, who didn't really have the knowledge or the means to replace a steering box on the trail along with possibly repairing the frame in that area, as well as for the guy in charge of JeepSkool who didn't wan't to further destroy an already torn up trail) was to use the heavy equipment to gut the Jeep to an area where it could be loaded on a trailer.

Again, JeepSkool is not out to charge $500 to anyone that gets stuck on the property, it is only to be used in those most extreme circumstances, most of these situations arise from lack of a properly built rig, lack of maintenance, or driving like an idiot.

Anybody that wants to see what JeepSkool is about, let me know when you are coming to an event and I will show you around.


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I have no idea where the $500 amount was derived from. I know nothing about the normal costs associated with renting, running, fueling, insuring, and maintaining this kind of equipment.

The equipment is the property owners personal equipment. The property owner is not the guy that runs JeepSkool (Robocon), so this money isn't going into JeepSkool's bank account but to the maintaining the equipment and to the owner of the equipment.


Again, If you are curious about JeepSkool, let me know. I will be at JeepSkool this weekend and would be more than willing to take some pictures of some of the new rock crawl. It hasn't been completed yet. If you get it done first, you get to name it.
Technically the Skooling is just the quick safety/rules class. But really the Skooling that you keep hearing all the guys that are new to the sport is their way to describe their first experience off road at JeepSkool. (coming out getting their truck dirty, getting stuck, camping, shooting on the class III gun range, all that stuff that we consider a normal weekend)

Please don't get caught up in all the hype. JeepSkool is a great place to wheel. It is one of the few genuinely legal places (no questions about property lines, legal/illegal entrances, etc.) to wheel in NE Ohio let alone Ohio in all. All of the information that you need is in one easy to find and understand format on the website.

If any one has any more questions, feel free to PM me here, on JeepSkool, or on Pirate.

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I am one of the volunteer staff members at JeepSkool. I am not here to become engaged in an argument. I was directed here from Pirate 4x4 where I responded to a similar thread. I am just going to copy/paste my reply from Pirate. I just hope to add a little bit of clarity as to what JeepSkool is all about as well as when a heavy equipment recovery is necessary.








Technically the Skooling is just the quick safety/rules class. But really the Skooling that you keep hearing all the guys that are new to the sport is their way to describe their first experience off road at JeepSkool. (coming out getting their truck dirty, getting stuck, camping, shooting on the class III gun range, all that stuff that we consider a normal weekend)

Please don't get caught up in all the hype. JeepSkool is a great place to wheel. It is one of the few genuinely legal places (no questions about property lines, legal/illegal entrances, etc.) to wheel in NE Ohio let alone Ohio in all. All of the information that you need is in one easy to find and understand format on the website.

If any one has any more questions, feel free to PM me here, on JeepSkool, or on Pirate.

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I sugest u take over for robocon< with one post u answered most questions. Get rid of the joker and we will see about a worthless trip lol
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Thank You for the answer. That's all we were looking for.

I think the "Skool" has made a HUGE mistake by letting RoboWhatever blow his top and call all of us Ladies. Then post some smart ass video, whats that all about? Do you guys really think that's okay? Should we expect the same smart ass, I know everything attitude if we attend the "Skool"?

I'm just speaking for myself here, but I would expect some sort of fee if a bulldozer had to be called in to pull me out. I assume most here would agree. 90% of this could have been avoided if the RoboWhatever would have respected WhiteRhino's questions. Instead of replying with answers he replied with name calling.

I was considering making a trip down to Ohio to check the place out, but I have some serious reservations (as most here probably do). I'd hate to dedicate a long weekend to the "Skool", then show up and have to listen to this guy bark at me the way he did here. Why would I pay money for that?

It's wrong for a person representing a business to talk to people the way he did. You will have a hard time fixing it.
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Thanks for the clarity. It's a shame that a volunteer has to register here for his first post to explain things in a civil manner versus the guy running the place refusing to answer questions and calling people names.

I'm glad to hear that the school is just a simple discussion of property rules. When I first asked a year ago it was going to show us how to air down tires, use a winch, use a hi-lift, etc. Simply not necessary.
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hmmmmm not worth my time and hard earned state money to take the trip from what i have seen in this thread.

something i see that hasn't been answered is what is considered destroying a trail? i have been on multiple trips where someone broke a balljoint and wasn't able to get out on there own power without a hood under the wheel. acts just like a ski and doesn't tear up the grass is slides on. ruins the hood but its the price you pay to get someone out of the trail and out to the road up in grayling. so by me pulling someone on my hood out of the trail is that destroying a trail?. bent control arms and tie rods just erode a bit of soil but dont tear it up worse then some punk ass leaving rutts in teh ground by dicking around in two wheel drive. just a thought let me know if im thinking wrong.
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Thank You for the answer. That's all we were looking for.

I think the "Skool" has made a HUGE mistake by letting RoboWhatever blow his top and call all of us Ladies. Then post some smart ass video, whats that all about? Do you guys really think that's okay? Should we expect the same smart ass, I know everything attitude if we attend the "Skool"?

I'm just speaking for myself here, but I would expect some sort of fee if a bulldozer had to be called in to pull me out. I assume most here would agree. 90% of this could have been avoided if the RoboWhatever would have respected WhiteRhino's questions. Instead of replying with answers he replied with name calling.

I was considering making a trip down to Ohio to check the place out, but I have some serious reservations (as most here probably do). I'd hate to dedicate a long weekend to the "Skool", then show up and have to listen to this guy bark at me the way he did here. Why would I pay money for that?

It's wrong for a person representing a business to talk to people the way he did. You will have a hard time fixing it.

Robocon is the owner and runner of JeepSkool so it his mistake to make to come in here and blow smoke if he chooses.

Simple answer for why is the man has spent A LOT of time on forums dealing with people. It gets old hearing people whine about prices and rules. I know you guys were just asking questions about rules and such but its easy to take your misunderstandings about current procedures as bashing current procedures. Thats the thing about online forums, its really easy for things to get out of hand really quickly.

If you do decide to Make the trip to JeepSkool, aside from Robocon "barking"(really just calmly talking) during skooling (this is mainly to scare new guys out of hurting them selves by using chains/tow straps w/ HOOKs as a snatch strap and to keep people on trail), you are free to wander the trails and obstacles of JeepSkool. Again, the majority of the Skooling a meeting about the rules of the property and some basic safety stuff.

Also FWIW, I have no where near what it takes to manage an offroad park, deal with locals sneaking on to property (huge liability there), deal with neighbors, keep the property owner happy, keep all the wheelers happy. All on a budget and keeping my sanity.

If any one has any more questions please PM me.
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hmmmmm not worth my time and hard earned state money to take the trip from what i have seen in this thread.

something i see that hasn't been answered is what is considered destroying a trail? i have been on multiple trips where someone broke a balljoint and wasn't able to get out on there own power without a hood under the wheel. acts just like a ski and doesn't tear up the grass is slides on. ruins the hood but its the price you pay to get someone out of the trail and out to the road up in grayling. so by me pulling someone on my hood out of the trail is that destroying a trail?. bent control arms and tie rods just erode a bit of soil but dont tear it up worse then some punk ass leaving rutts in teh ground by dicking around in two wheel drive. just a thought let me know if im thinking wrong.
Every situation is unique. It comes down to a conversation and an agreement between you and Robocon when you break down. We could sit here forever and imagine up every possible break and how we could get it out with out using heavy equipment, but no one has time for that.

Copy/paste from myself on Pirate:
"I understand that it is hard to get past the fact of doing damage to the trail, but the property that JeepSkool is held on is primarily a residence for the property owner and secondly a Hunt Club for the owner. The property owner will not be happy to see absolutely destroyed trail while he is out on his atv/quad hunting. Keeping the trail system in tact and in good shape will only help JeepSkool to stay open."


Hope that helps some.
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No, It is funny.

Bunch of old ladies peeking in the window like old lady Kravitz on Bewitched. Yelling Abner, Abner come look at what the Stevens' are up to. Instead of going over to the house and asking. Tons of you folks are visiting the JS site and NOT one of you have taken the time to post a question. You all just jump on the "Kravitz" wagon and your off. LAME.

YouTube- Samantha Goes Swimming - Without a pool!

If you hens want the real deal answer, you know where to find me. I'm not going to play defense on every old hen with a computer and a pitch fork in the other hand. If you choose to post a respectful question without confrontation and without the "you owe me" attitude- I will respectfully reply.

Or, you could actually come down and see what all the hub-bub is about. Because so far, NOT one of you have been to JS. Just standing on the sidelines pissin' and moanin' about NOTHING.

Oh yeah, we added a new "Connectivity fee" just like the phone company. And an up charge fee for all yellow rigs. Also a 50 cent charge for all the stickers on your rig. Plus a fee for running stock axles. Plus I get to inspect ALL vehicles and I charge for this service too. If you pay for all of these fees, I will then proceed to tell you how to wheel-N/C, my pleasure. But you will have to pay to leave the property. But be careful, the state charges a fee to use the road.

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I waived the recovery fee because I made him pull MY cable!



Well, someone has to pull my winch line! :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen:



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As an operator of a business, you cannot have the reply's you have and expect to be taken seriously. You are a representative of a business and your poor replies and personal attacks show your character. I had every intention of making a full fledged attempt at planing a club outing to Ohio next year. But after reading your own responses and the "terms of use" for the property I would be hard pressed. You need to seriously take a look at your public relations with your potential customers. Sure I wanted to "jump" on the band wagon, but I wanted to wait to read an explanation as to what was being brought up. Unfortunately it was a disappointment.

I read A LOT of threads and topics I would love to respond to on this site and be a total douche bag to the idiots that are here. But as president of CTOR I cannot. I always have to remember that I not only represent myself but my fellow club members. I find myself a lot of times posting long drawn out replies and end up deleting them before they ever get posted.

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I am one of the volunteer staff members at JeepSkool. I am not here to become engaged in an argument. I was directed here from Pirate 4x4 where I responded to a similar thread. I am just going to copy/paste my reply from Pirate. I just hope to add a little bit of clarity as to what JeepSkool is all about as well as when a heavy equipment recovery is necessary.

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The "skooling" is just a quick safety meeting that all guests of Jeep Skool and Southington Hunt club must go through. It is just a quick and painless here are the rules of the property and some general safety and wheeling tips for the new guys.



Thats exactly what JeepSkool is. There is an excellent staff to help out when requested, but we generally give a tour of the property to new guests so that they can get they lay of the land (this trail ride is in no way mandatory but will greatly help you learn where to go and where to stay away from).

There is a JeepSkool event the first weekend of every month. Thats this weekend (Dec 6,7, Jan 2,3 etc). If you would like to come see what JeepSkool is really about let me know and I will show you some of the fun spots on the property. I'm not sure what your rig is set up like but I can guarantee that there is something to entertain you.




No one is praying on new Jeep owners or guys that are new to the sport.:shaking:

In regards to the GL4x4 thread, if you get stuck, you are more than welcome to use your winch, a strap, a come-along, a highlift jack, an ARB x-jack or what ever un-sticking equipment you have to get un-stuck. If you are still unable to recover yourself, you are welcome to radio for a staff member to come help you. Most of the staff has 8000, 9000, or 12000 lb winches. In the almost year and a half that I have been going to JeepSkool, I can not recall one time that a vehicle has not been able to be recovered using another Jeep with NO MONEY BEING EXCHANGED.

The $500 fee comes into play when a vehicle has broken in a way that it can not be easily repaired on the trail and will destroy the trail dragging it out.

For example:
Last spring a 4cyl TJ on 34" LTBs got stuck in a mud hole and dug his rear axle under a ledge. In the process of pulling him out, the rear axle was pulled under the jeep(bent control arms, broke track bar, etc). In this case, the only reasonable solution was to use a bull dozer (excuse me for not knowing technical terms) to lift the rear of the Jeep and drag him off the trail to an area that he could be loaded on a trailer.

This summer a ZJ on 33 LTBs broke his steering gear box. I'm not 100% sure but I believe that the box sheared from the frame as well as breaking internally. Again in this case, the only reasonable solution (for the owner of the Jeep, who didn't really have the knowledge or the means to replace a steering box on the trail along with possibly repairing the frame in that area, as well as for the guy in charge of JeepSkool who didn't wan't to further destroy an already torn up trail) was to use the heavy equipment to gut the Jeep to an area where it could be loaded on a trailer.

Again, JeepSkool is not out to charge $500 to anyone that gets stuck on the property, it is only to be used in those most extreme circumstances, most of these situations arise from lack of a properly built rig, lack of maintenance, or driving like an idiot.

Anybody that wants to see what JeepSkool is about, let me know when you are coming to an event and I will show you around.


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I have no idea where the $500 amount was derived from. I know nothing about the normal costs associated with renting, running, fueling, insuring, and maintaining this kind of equipment.

The equipment is the property owners personal equipment. The property owner is not the guy that runs JeepSkool (Robocon), so this money isn't going into JeepSkool's bank account but to the maintaining the equipment and to the owner of the equipment.


Again, If you are curious about JeepSkool, let me know. I will be at JeepSkool this weekend and would be more than willing to take some pictures of some of the new rock crawl. It hasn't been completed yet. If you get it done first, you get to name it.
Technically the Skooling is just the quick safety/rules class. But really the Skooling that you keep hearing all the guys that are new to the sport is their way to describe their first experience off road at JeepSkool. (coming out getting their truck dirty, getting stuck, camping, shooting on the class III gun range, all that stuff that we consider a normal weekend)

Please don't get caught up in all the hype. JeepSkool is a great place to wheel. It is one of the few genuinely legal places (no questions about property lines, legal/illegal entrances, etc.) to wheel in NE Ohio let alone Ohio in all. All of the information that you need is in one easy to find and understand format on the website.

If any one has any more questions, feel free to PM me here, on JeepSkool, or on Pirate.

Chris
Unfortunately had this been the type of reply at post #80, a lot of BS would of been avoided. And cudo's to you for keeping your post cool and informative. This is how the response should of been worded in the first place.


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Thanks for the clarity. It's a shame that a volunteer has to register here for his first post to explain things in a civil manner versus the guy running the place refusing to answer questions and calling people names.

I'm glad to hear that the school is just a simple discussion of property rules. When I first asked a year ago it was going to show us how to air down tires, use a winch, use a hi-lift, etc. Simply not necessary.
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I'm still pressed hard to pay $500 if it came down to it when any other place has a charge of $0 to $50 from my experiences.
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Bunch of old ladies peeking in the window like old lady Kravitz on Bewitched. Yelling Abner, Abner come look at what the Stevens' are up to. Instead of going over to the house and asking. Tons of you folks are visiting the JS site and NOT one of you have taken the time to post a question. You all just jump on the "Kravitz" wagon and your off. LAME.


If you hens want the real deal answer, you know where to find me. I'm not going to play defense on every old hen with a computer and a pitch fork in the other hand. If you choose to post a respectful question without confrontation and without the "you owe me" attitude- I will respectfully reply.


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I believe it comes down to this, Robocon can not be on EVERY website where the name Jeepskool comes up. Here he has asked you to come to his place and post (or PM him) your question with out confrontation. He has certainly not done it in a very eloquent manner but I'm sure it gets old going through the same old argument over and over again.

If there is anything I can do reinstall some confidence in JeepSkool, let me know.
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I believe it comes down to this, Robocon can not be on EVERY website where the name Jeepskool comes up. Here he has asked you to come to his place and post (or PM him) your question with out confrontation. He has certainly not done it in a very eloquent manner but I'm sure it gets old going through the same old argument over and over again.

If there is anything I can do reinstall some confidence in JeepSkool, let me know.
Your efforts are noble but the problem is, that's the cost of doing business. If he got upset with questions, he needed to stay on the high road with a simple reply along the lines of "I'm sorry I don't have time to answer all of your questions at this time, please pm me with specifics". But by lowering himself to name calling and adding in a stupid video, he just lost all credibility with the better part of lower Michigan's wheeling community. It's easy for him to say F-em but guess what, money talks, bullshit walks.

I'll spend my money where it's appreciated, not where I'm treated with arrogance.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #120
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