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Old November 28th, 2009, 10:01 AM   #61
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and the credit card company will "skool" you on how their policies work to which you argeed for usig the card
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Old November 28th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #63
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maybe you should read over the terms of the user agreement again...you dont have to sign, and what you are talking about amounts to fraud, so again good luck with that one
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Old November 28th, 2009, 10:40 AM   #64
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How is Jeep Skool not amounting to fraud?
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Old November 28th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #65
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What are they doing that's fraudulent? Over charging for a service is not fraud.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 12:04 PM   #66
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Charging $500 for a recovery is no worse than $12 for internet service.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 12:06 PM   #67
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How is Jeep Skool not amounting to fraud?
If you sign the documents that are clearly stated that there will be a $500 charge to be pulled out (stupid) I believe they can hold you liable. I will not be going there as this is just redicoulis!!
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Old November 28th, 2009, 12:13 PM   #68
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Why is everything only based on "the next three years" what happens after that?


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Old November 28th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #69
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not one thing about this place sits right.
Agree'd, something smells
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Old November 28th, 2009, 01:53 PM   #70
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Agree'd, something smells
thats the "skool" part of it...as a "new" jeeper you need to be taught that people will try and screw you when ever they can(although they wont admit it) and as jeepers there is somebody out there that always thinks they know more than everybody else.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #71
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new meaning to "just empty every pocket"

but i must say its a jeep thing i just don't understand
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Old November 28th, 2009, 02:41 PM   #72
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Charging $500 for a recovery is no worse than $12 for internet service.
$12 I pay $59.99 a month for service
Live in sticks Pay out the nose for high speed Sat.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 02:43 PM   #73
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I heard he developed his curriculum from over two seasons of fighting in the octagon. Now if you sign up now for his two week “skool” for just $800 you to could be a master behind the wheel. One thing jeep skool like to stress is no more flying solo. You need to have somebody watching your back at all times! That’s why they use the buddy system!
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thats the "skool" part of it...as a "new" jeeper you need to be taught that people will try and screw you when ever they can(although they wont admit it) and as jeepers there is somebody out there that always thinks they know more than everybody else.
Too true... Buyer be ware...
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Some one posted a defence statement. Brinds it to a well and sound good decision.
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The masses won't like what I'm going to say here, but I don't quite follow the problem:

Is everyone mad at Robocon for saying that he will charge a fee (regardless of how much) to bring his own equipment onto trails to extract vehicles, or that he has the power to control his own land that he allows you to use?

Because if it is his land, his machinery, and his checking account that has to not only purchase (or lease) said land, but is also subject to all costs associated with maintaining the land and its vehicles, why shouldn't Robocon decide what he wants to happen on his own land?

Visitors to JeepSkool have a very limited interest and possession of the land they are using, and if said visitors do not like the way it is managed, visitors have the option to not go there again. Granted JeepSkool may be the only gig in town, but JeepSkool isn't forcing anyone to patronize their trails. What reasons do JeepSkool have for placing these fees on access to their equipment?

I do not think that the argument against such fees is unreasonable, but the arguments listed here sound flimsy. Without singling out individual errors in the complaints against Robocon and JeepSkool, if you want to make a good argument, start with addressing specific points individually and completely (particularly before hashing into his control of the discussion board). There were some good arguments lost in what effectively became whining about not having power to change the situation. Robocon should be invited to talk about these grievences, not attacked outright.

Additionally, read what you are fighting carefully, be sure you get a full idea about what is being stated. Let me repeat, I think there may be a valid argument here, but when I read (only) the cut and pasted bits, I came away with the impression that the fee was for big equipement. If a tracked power shovel is needed to extract a stuck vehicle, that is clearly going to tear up the land and trail which will need restoration when the extraction is complete. This will cost JeepSkool down time for the trail and will incur man hours, they then pass the fee on to the person who was stuck which makes perfect business sense. $500 does sound expensive, but could be reasonable when you factor in paying staff and wear and tear on the machinery. Have you ever seen how much the highway department charges for a single length of guardrail that you hit when the road iced over? I think someone should request how the figure of $500 was arrived at, and then it can be carefully debated.

As for control of the discussion board, it sounds like a violation of freedom of speech, but if it is Robocon's own website, he - again - likely reigns supreme.

Lastly, so far. Robocon appears to be the one who proofreads what he writes - which makes his responses appear professional and rationally constructed which therefore puts him in the position of the mature decision maker. (remember my note that the piling of complaints makes for whining?) Things don't change if you just shout about it, they change when you rationally appeal a decision. So appeal to his rational off-road side.

I said the masses wouldn't like it.

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Here is a comparison of some other Off Road parks (Some of this may be dated by a few months). Jeepskool's rates are not only competitive, they are cheaper than some of the destinations below but with more amenities.


Admission to Haspin Acres is $15 per person (Not per vehicle).
In addition, each person must purchase a $1 "Liability Waiver Card" that is good for 1 year from day purchased.
Entry fee allows you to be at the park until 9am the next morning.
If you stay past 9am, you must pay another $15 day fee. For the $15 fee, you may also camp on our grounds.
There are shower/bathroom facilities available to all.

Badlands off road park
Trail OR Track Admission..............Trail AND Track Admission

$20 One Day.......................................$30 One Day

$30 Two Day.......................................$50 Two Day

$40 Three Day.....................................$70 Three Day

$50 Four day.......................................$90 Four Day

$5 passenger fee per day

Rausch Creek Off Road Park
Drivers and passengers age 16 and up are required to become members of the park which costs $10 per year and is good for one year from the date you join. Membership cards are given out when you join.

Children age 15 and younger are free, however, we require a parental waiver. All members under the age of 18 also require a parental waiver.

The daily entrance fee is $35.00 for the vehicle and driver.Passengers age 16 and up are $5.00 each(When a passenger joins the park, the $5.00 fee is waived that day). We offer free primitive camping for our members.

General Sam's offroad park
Park Fees
$20.00 per day for each atv/orv. This fee includes one driver.
$5.00 per day for each additional rider

Gulches off road vehicle park

Cost: $20 for 1 full day
(after a $5.00 one-time membership fee)

4x4 riders, guests & visitors:
$5 each

BeaveRun
9am Registration

10am-4pm Event

$40/Vehicle

$10/Passenger

Coal Creek OHV Area Windrock
A Land use permit is required for each person entering the Coal Creek OHV Area.

Cost for the permits are as follows:

* $17.00 Daily permit
* $33.00 Two day permit
* $44.00 Three day permit
* $55.00 Four day permit
* $88.00 Yearly permit

Each person, no matter their age or activity, must have a permit. Each person entering the area is required to have their permit along with the pink copy of their permit with them at all times while on the property.

Wheelin in the Country Tenn.
* $15 per vehicle/driver.
* $15 per day for passengers/spectators

Painted Rock

prices are $15.00 per truck per day,
camping is $ 5.00 per person per day

Get off the $500 recovery fee if the excavator is used arguement. That option is absolutely a last resort and can barely be measured as a fraction of a % of all the recoveries done by staff and fellow off-roaders. Usually if you are using an excavator to pick the vehicle up you are preventing more damage to the suspension and drive train of the vehicle rather than trying to drag it through, over, up, down and around the terrain that it was broke on.

I do not know what it costs to buy/lease/rent an excavator, much less fuel it or maintain it, but consider the following:
The vehicles that need an excavator would need access for a flat bed to haul them out if they were on a road. It usually takes a minimum of 2-3 hours to get the excavator in and the vehicle out to a location where it can be fixed or towed, all while taking down trees and damaging trails.

Trail Leaders/Staff generally do not lead trail rides unless requested or you are a first time visitor. The initial trail ride will not lead you through areas that will cause any damage - they will just give you an overall layout of the park.

The staff are not in place to just pull people out of areas that they did not have the skill, experience or vehicle to attempt. We try to educate, provide safe recovery instruction, and when needed assist or perform the actual recovery. If someone is in need of help (for example, by themselves with no ability for self recovery), is observed performing an unsafe recovery, or calls in requesting assistance we absolutley step in and perform or assist in the recovery.

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Old November 28th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #78
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Ok, so if the $500 is an "if" situation, and not a "if your stuck it's your only option" situation then it's not bad. Mostly likely not different than any place that would have to call in an escavator.
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Ok, so if the $500 is an "if" situation, and not a "if your stuck it's your only option" situation then it's not bad. Mostly likely not different than any place that would have to call in an escavator.
"IF" that would have been said in the first place when asked it wouldn't have been a big deal... but the way it was laid out here was that it was an only option. I think they need to be a bit more CLEAR about what they are saying and meaning.
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