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Old November 27th, 2009, 08:43 PM   #41
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A kid with a ZJ broke some front end component, I want to say a Ball Joint, and they were not allowed to strap the vehicle and drag it out from what I was told by Kelly. They used the excavator and put it on its trailer at the Factory until the owner paid the fee to remove it from the property.
well I guess he got "skooled!" hahahahhaha
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Old November 27th, 2009, 09:00 PM   #42
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NOT ALLOWED TO RECOVER THEIR OWN RIG?? Rules are rules.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 09:05 PM   #43
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Oh boy I can't wait to visit a place like this. What a douche bag thing to do to people.

"Starting @ $500.00" hahahahahaha............screw that place.

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Old November 27th, 2009, 09:06 PM   #44
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well I guess he got "skooled!" hahahahhaha
Are we going to organize a trip in the spring? Sounds awesome!!!
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Old November 27th, 2009, 09:07 PM   #45
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You can do your own recovery, but anything catastrophic that isn't a "trail" repair, which then again varies by standards, is going to cost you. You do get 24 hours free storage though...
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Old November 27th, 2009, 09:27 PM   #46
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Wow. I really don't want to badmouth any offroad park so I will put this nicely. People break while wheeling. It happens. JeepSkool is retarded to think that is even remotely decent of them. I really hope there is more to this story.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 09:38 PM   #47
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Are we going to organize a trip in the spring? Sounds awesome!!!
Yes, this is the best idea I have heard in a long time...I cannot wait until they "skool" me on how to drive off-road! I'm sure they can show me and others things we have never thought of!! hahahahahhahah!!

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You can do your own recovery, but anything catastrophic that isn't a "trail" repair, which then again varies by standards, is going to cost you. You do get 24 hours free storage though...
free storage = sweet, it sounds like they are trying to make the recovery of ones vehical as easy as possible

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Wow. I really don't want to badmouth any offroad park so I will put this nicely. People break while wheeling. It happens. JeepSkool is retarded to think that is even remotely decent of them. I really hope there is more to this story.
there is more to this story and if you think about this guy has it right...he claims he is catering to the "new" jeeper. With that being said he starts out by charging them a min of $500 for a tow out and presents the "new" jeeper with another fine lesson from the "skool" "If you break its going to cost you!!"


JEEP SKOOL fukc YA!
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I remember when Jeepskool was $20 for the whole weekend...that was it!
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I remember when Jeepskool was $20 for the whole weekend...that was it!
No big deal, just have to make sure you have an extra $500.00 stashed aside for breakdowns.
Unless they have a credit card swiper thing bolted to the side of the backhoe. Which I'm sure they do.
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Damn and people was bitching about $20 at Bundy Hill!!! I can't wait for Bundy Hill to open back up.
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Damn and people was bitching about $20 at Bundy Hill!!! I can't wait for Bundy Hill to open back up.
It is only $20 at Bundy? I was wondering what they charged the few people I saw get yanked out... Glad to know how reasonable they are.
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You set it up, we'll go.


So unless you can repair your rig on the spot and drive it out, you have to pay a minimum of $500 for them to recover your vehicle? That's total bullshit. Strapping a vehicle with a busted ball joint "damages" the trail? You're kidding, right?

After seeing the recent pics posted, I thought I might be willing to go and sit through their class. But, after seeing this, it's doubtful I'll waste my time going there. It's a shame that a place with such potential is so arrogant that they think this is fair. Like Oz said, I hope there's more to the story.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 07:30 AM   #53
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wow 500$? and this school? why dont they teach you how to remove your busted ass rig like a normal person would? its nice that they offer an escavator but when you dont get a choive is total bs.

ive seen some pretty good ideas before for getting a busted rig back to the parking lot,

for example broken rear axle shaft on xj, built a sweet ski for it out of an old deadfall tree, that we strapped to the rocker and rear bumper, made it out of the mounds under its own power.

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find away to add a loop hole and youll probably have my business.
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Old November 28th, 2009, 07:37 AM   #54
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So unless you can repair your rig on the spot and drive it out, you have to pay a minimum of $500 for them to recover your vehicle? That's total bullshit. Strapping a vehicle with a busted ball joint "damages" the trail? You're kidding, right?

After seeing the recent pics posted, I thought I might be willing to go and sit through their class. But, after seeing this, it's doubtful I'll waste my time going there. It's a shame that a place with such potential is so arrogant that they think this is fair. Like Oz said, I hope there's more to the story.
X2 Looks like a cool place but i think i would have to pass. Don't want to get stuck with a $500 recovery fee. I'v been known to break
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I'v been known to break
Not me.
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The worst is if you dont have the 5oo. They impound your rig till you pay it. This could me a forfiture of rig for some.
$500 Fine
$200 bucks round trip home and back.
Comming up with a EXTRA $500
Finding the time for said return in a reasonal time.
$100 back home again.
$50 Food and other expences for return .
So it could be in excess of $800 bucks for many and a huge finances problem.


I beleive at some point I will have to charge someone for a recovery. I do tell people that we have some deep mud and if you are not equiped for a recovery or have friends , IT COULD cost you a fee. The first one is free but the second one May cost them. On the trails I feel recovering a Rig is a convenience to other guest to clear the trail. So We will do our best to get you out. This to we have yet had to charge for. It may or will happen . But $10 or $20 bucks is fair to get them to a trail where they can get a trailer to . Or back to parking. We have the luxery of having our Rangers to help and our own equipment. Having to rely on others for their equipment is where these large charges come from.
A trail can be repaired if it needs to be changed to make the recovery. That is something that needs to be factored into your opperating cost and expected.and not at the expence of the GUEST. We invite wheelers to the park and expect some trail damage to Happen. I just go out and do trail upkeep and fix it.






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Over the summer, Donnie has taken more then a few people to the shop to weld something, I have ran home to get the generator and welder to help get someone out of a trail after they have broke.. I could never fathom charging someone like that.. Sometime people offer money but if they dont they alway say thanks a ton of times.. I dont mind helping people and dont except anything in return besides them "paying it forward" to someone else who may need help.. A lot of us, if not most could never afford that kind of fee...
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I can't tell you how many people I've helped and never charged. Quite often when someone has offered me money for the help, I've told them to take the money and go put it towards a good tow strap or other needed recovery equipment. Also told them to go buy the tool that they borrowed from me.

I remember when a guy named Zac from Alpena broke a stub shaft while in Canada. I had a spare & he wanted to buy it from me. I told him no, just replace it when you get home. I really had no idea if I would ever hear from him again. A week later I get a package from UPS. It's got a stub shaft, axle seal, snap ring and a check for $10 with a note to go buy some beer. Now, that's a fellow wheeler.

I can understand paying for a piece of equipment if it needs to be brought in special. But, whatever the rate is, it should be based upon T&M. (time & material) Yes, if a guy brings in a big piece of equipment on a Saturday, charging $500 for 5 hours time is not unreasonable. BUT......... to make a minimum mandatory charge when a group of buds could recover it for free is ridiculous.
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This gives us ethical capitalists a bad name.
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1. Swipe credit card
2. Dispute charges through credit company.
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