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Old December 18th, 2009, 02:32 AM   #381
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Holy shit. Check this out. I went last December and January before all this BS started, and before JS was a popular thing to do. there wasnt too many rigs when I went. I paid $20 for the whole weekend. That included a passenger and camping. NOW, a year later exactly, look at the prices. I quoted them at the bottom of my post. So if Im reading this correctly, say a family of 6 wants to go to Jeepskool for a weekend and camp out. They bring their Jeep, or whatever rig they find suitable to wheel, and another vehicle to carry all the camping gear. They want electricity for the kids gamboys and whatnot aswell. 3 of the kids are under 15, one is 16. This is what they are looking to spend just to get into the place, not including any food costs, gas costs, parts costs, $500 tow fees, ect ect:

$30 per vehicle: $60
$5 per guest: $10
$10 Guest "Skool": $20
Camping $10 per vehicle: $20
Electricity: $15
Cost of 6th person that couldnt fit in the Jeep that wants to camp(in addition to their $5 guest fee): $10

A normal family is now looking at $135 JUST TO GET IN!. this is for a normal sized family! It only goes up, substantially, from there!

Hell, if I wanted to go again the January, I would be looking at spending:

JeepSkool pass: $30
Guest: $5
Guest "Skool": $10
Camping: $10
Electric(Im a pussy): $15

So in 1 year, AFTER GROWING SUBSTANTIALLY, Jeepskool went from being a $20 dollar weekend, to a $70 weekend. JUST FOR ME AND A FRIEND. I should mention that I used electricity and camped out last year in January aswell, so it is all equal. You are damn straight I will never be returning. Plus, when I went, I didnt have to wait an hour to go through a trail while their were 50 other Jeeps infront of me. The place isnt THAT big.



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JeepSkool Fees
JeepSkool pass ...................................$30 per vehicle*.
Kids 15 and under-free.
Guest-..............................................$5.
Guest "Skool" .....................................$10.
Camping........................................... $10 per vehicle.
Electrical hook-up................................$15
Brown water disposal............................$10 per vehicle.
-Camping charges are set at $10 per trail vehicle loaded w/ seat belt wearing passengers. Additional persons wishing to camp w/a paid vehicle will also be $10 additional per person. Yes that is in addition to their paid 5 dollar guest fee.

NON-Jeeping campers: SAME AS JeepSkooler's rules.

No guest vehicles are permitted in the North parking lot without purchasing a JeepSkool pass.
No exceptions.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 05:26 AM   #382
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R&V??? Man is you stoopiD! That place is for a bunch of old hens!!!
OK, thanks for your input.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 08:16 AM   #383
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I read this and I see several things:

1. Chris is a park volunteer and donates his time (especially in this thread) to helping jeepschool as good as it can.
2. He was helping cut new trail for the park (I'm assuming for free) and broke down.
3. Maybe a good chance the backhoe was already out there.

Asking someone that volunteers their time to an ORV park if they paid for this particular recovery is unfair, as it is not under the same circumstances as if it were someone that broke on an obstacle.

Getting on Chris about the cost of recovery for this is really in poor taste; Robokhan used Chris's XJ as an example in a thread that was full of inconsistencies (i.e. only 3 extractions in 14 years, when the park hasn't been open that long) - and he never said they were all paying extractions.

Lay off.

I, for one, often put myself in the same position as Chris when I defend my employer.
Lay off ?? Then why did you bother bringing this up again?
What is the problem here? THEY are using his recovery as an example. We were told that fee is mandatory for everyone including staff and that it is non-negotiable. There is nothing wrong with asking if a fee was charged in the recovery. It shows their credibility and if their rules are enforced fairly and consistently. If no fee was charged they could simply have stated the conditions that allowed for an exception. Instead of answering the question and clearing it up they got all indignant. That is bullshit.


Sad part is after all 20 pages of bla bla bla, we still do not know for sure about the $500 recovery fee and the impounding of a customerís vehicle until the fee is paid. First the fee was mandatory for everyone including staff (except when robokhan decides to waive it apparently), then in another post recovery help is free and a later post makes it sound like the $500 fee is still in effect. Never a straight answer from the robo-politician.


So what is the deal? Some simple questions requiring one word answers.

1. What is the fee if a customer requests recovery assistance using heavy equipment?
2. Can the park force a recovery with heavy equipment in order to protect its trails?
3. If the answer to #2 is yes, what is the fee for a forced recovery?
4. Will the park impound the vehicle until the recovery fee is paid in full?
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Old December 18th, 2009, 08:25 AM   #384
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So what is the deal? Some simple questions requiring one word answers.

1. What is the fee if a customer requests recovery assistance using heavy equipment?
2. Can the park force a recovery with heavy equipment in order to protect its trails?
3. If the answer to #2 is yes, what is the fee for a forced recovery?
4. Will the park impound the vehicle until the recovery fee is paid in full?
After visiting before I can say with good certainty....
1. $500
2. I'm sure they can, considering they manage the property.
3. Still $500
4. From past experiences of guests, they will hold it until the fee is paid.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 09:50 AM   #385
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R&V??? Man is you stoopiD! That place is for a bunch of old hens!!!
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OK, thanks for your input.
do they have a kool poster? cough, er, uh, exactly how do i get there?
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Old December 18th, 2009, 09:56 AM   #386
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After visiting before I can say with good certainty....
1. $500
2. I'm sure they can, considering they manage the property.
3. Still $500
4. From past experiences of guests, they will hold it until the fee is paid.



that is so awesome.


and by awesome, I mean the most stupid business decision ever made.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 10:45 AM   #387
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What is the problem here? THEY are using his recovery as an example. We were told that fee is mandatory for everyone including staff and that it is non-negotiable.
The problem is people jumping on Chris's back for the picture dumbass posted in the other thread of Chris's jeep getting extracted.

Also, his extraction rules could use clarification, because I read it as you will pay for it no matter who is leading the trail ride, STAFF INCLUDED.
i.e. - if you get stuck FOLLOWING STAFF ON A TRAIL (or on your own) and need extraction, the $500 fee is still your responsibility.

I got tired of seeing people bagging on Chris about the fee. If you can't see where his extraction may have been free because he volunteers his time and was helping build a new trail (for free) when he needed help out, that's pretty thick.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #388
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Also, his extraction rules could use clarification, because I read it as you will pay for it no matter who is leading the trail ride, STAFF INCLUDED.
i.e. - if you get stuck FOLLOWING STAFF ON A TRAIL (or on your own) and need extraction, the $500 fee is still your responsibility.
You are correct. If Kelly leads Newbie A down trail B and Newbie A blows a steering box/ball joint, Newbie A is still responsible for the fee.
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This thread is tired and old... I am just never going to be there, period...
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After visiting before I can say with good certainty....
1. $500
2. I'm sure they can, considering they manage the property.
3. Still $500
4. From past experiences of guests, they will hold it until the fee is paid.

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that is so awesome.


and by awesome, I mean the most stupid business decision ever made.
sounds like they went to the same skool as good ol' bacon-pockets...
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Old December 18th, 2009, 12:36 PM   #391
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do they have a kool poster? cough, er, uh, exactly how do i get there?
No kool poster! pm me for directions
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Old December 18th, 2009, 07:46 PM   #392
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You are correct. If Kelly leads Newbie A down trail B and Newbie A blows a steering box/ball joint, Newbie A is still responsible for the fee.
Newbie A is also welcome to fix his junk on trail B. No need for a fee unless Newbie A DECIDES he wants a shop to fix it for him and needs heavy equipment to be used to get it on a trailer.

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Old December 18th, 2009, 10:21 PM   #393
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Old Hens are the back bone. With out them there would be no chicks
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Old December 18th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #394
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Newbie A is also welcome to fix his junk on trail B. No need for a fee unless Newbie A DECIDES he wants a shop to fix it for him and needs heavy equipment to be used to get it on a trailer.
What ever happened to a winch and a bunch of friends?

Edit: And if Im not mistaken, its if MANAGMENT decides he needs heavy equipment.

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What ever happened to a winch and a bunch of friends?

Edit: And if Im not mistaken, its if MANAGMENT decides he needs heavy equipment.

Winch and freinds are more than welcome at JeepSkool. I would even go so far to say that JeepSkool would ENCOURAGE you to bring a winch and a truck full of your buddies so you can unstick your truck yourself and then fix it yourself. Read back through my posts in this thread. I have said TONS of times that you are MORE THAN WELCOME to recover and fix your own truck. Heavy equipment is only necessary when the driver can't fix the truck and it can't be removed from the trail with out destroying the trail.

I have posted this same information more than a few times in this thread, and I can not be blamed for people failing or refusing to read it.


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It is more like disbelief of the fact that a $500 recovery fee is charged for this service. If it read up to a $500 recovery fee but most likely only $50-$100 then people would let this go but $500 is a huge fee for that service.

Just my opinion though.

Oh and robodouche is a douche!
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I have read your posts. But any extraction requiring a winch is going to tear up a trail. wheeling in general tears up trails, so I am failing to see where the red line is drawn on that matter. To me it seems like a blanket statement that allows Jeepskool managment to use that fee whenever they feel.
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Seriously why is ANYONE still debating this. If you don't like it DON'T go, if it reflects on his business he will change it.

Kind of like the smoking in bars thing... oh fukc does this mean you all are going to try to legislate his park has to downgrade obstacles so NO ONE breaks and the fee would never be charged?

I am not supporting his decision, but it is HIS business and HIS decision, don't like it don't go. There are quite a few parks in MI and IN now that are probably just as good or better, support them instead if you don't want to risk the fee.
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