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Old December 19th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #41
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In the case of the "law," would you not be covered by the good samaritans act?
this state and country are all f**ked up. we end up more concerned about being sued than we are about helping our fellow citizens.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #42
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X2 on pulling out cars without proper recovery points. The only way I would do it is to hand someone a winch cable and shackle and let them have the remote. If something breaks it's on them.

BTW, I bet I saw between 50 and 100 stuck vehicles in GR today. My wife saw 8-10 vehicles stuck on our block. We got around 14", so if you had good snow tires and came to a stop sign.....still fucked.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 08:59 PM   #43
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The law says that you can not impede traffic without proper lights and authority to do so. If you can somehow manage to pull someone out of a ditch without blocking traffic, you are probably legal. However, you are liable for any damage. If you enter the lane of traffic, you can be written up for impeding traffic, improperly parked, etc...
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Old December 19th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #44
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The law says that you can not impede traffic without proper lights and authority to do so. If you can somehow manage to pull someone out of a ditch without blocking traffic, you are probably legal. However, you are liable for any damage. If you enter the lane of traffic, you can be written up for impeding traffic, improperly parked, etc...
Well I'm technically Impeding traffic driving on the road. I mean some drivers think i'm in their way, hence i impede them.


During inclement weather i think vehicle recovery is part of "Motoring" and isn't a ticketable offense unless you are a dumbass about it. I mean the stuck person is Impeding traffic too, Should they get a ticket?
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Old December 19th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #45
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The law says that you can not impede traffic without proper lights and authority to do so. If you can somehow manage to pull someone out of a ditch without blocking traffic, you are probably legal. However, you are liable for any damage. If you enter the lane of traffic, you can be written up for impeding traffic, improperly parked, etc...
So what your saying is that on the technicality of impeding traffic you are saying its illegal to pull someone out, but if an officer were to come up and turn on HIS lights for yo to properly stop traffic then it would no longer be illegal since technically he is the one stopping traffic?

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Old December 19th, 2008, 09:28 PM   #46
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The law says that you can not impede traffic without proper lights and authority to do so. If you can somehow manage to pull someone out of a ditch without blocking traffic, you are probably legal
Of the people I pulled, they we're all in neighborhood side street intersections. Kind of hard to impede traffic when everybody's either stuck or getting pushed. Unless he's in a Tahoe, a cop in my city would be lucky to get very far through one of the streets in my neighborhood.

Liability I can understand from the stand point of a chunk of my car or their car breaking off. But to say that nobody except a tow truck can touch a car in this weather is kind of thrown out when its a matter of whether I can get down the street or not. Tow trucks got enough to worry about on the main roads. Obviously not important enough to write a ticket when I read cops are helping people chain up.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 09:57 PM   #47
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Obviously like any law they vary from state to state and it is illegal in Wyoming. My cousin out in Wyoming was helping pull someone out and while winding up his strap the cops came by and read him the riot act for doing that. Said it was hazardous and a bunch of other crap and threatened to write multiple tickets. The cop did end up letting him go with a warning and decided to pull a u turn in front of my cousin and got stuck. He then asked my cousin if he could help pull him out. My cousin politely said it was hazardous and can't do it, and he may get a ticket and the cop said it was his civil duty to help and officer of the law. My cousin calmly got in the truck and left the cop sitting on the side of the road stuck.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 10:42 PM   #48
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1) It is illegal for you to pull people out on a public street, unless your a licensed tow truck with proper emergency lights
2) is something were to break, or be broken during the recovery they could sue your ass
3) If you were a proper recovery vehicle (tow truck) you would have the J- hooks to be able to hook into the frame and recover the vehicle properly



I know your trying to help, but remember the above when doing so.
I was told to un hook today by an OCSD twit.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 11:01 PM   #49
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Unless he's in a Tahoe, a cop in my city would be lucky to get very far through one of the streets in my neighborhood.
What streets? I was all over Pontiac today and only had to put it in four wheel drive once.
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this may apply in some cases

257.676b Interference with normal flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic prohibited; exception; violation as civil infraction.
Sec. 676b.
(1) A person, without authority, shall not block, obstruct, impede, or otherwise interfere with the normal flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic upon a public street or highway in this state, by means of a barricade, object, or device, or with his or her person. This section shall not apply to persons maintaining, rearranging, or constructing public utility facilities in or adjacent to a street or highway.
(2) A person who violates this section is responsible for a civil infraction.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 01:00 AM   #51
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What streets? I was all over Pontiac today and only had to put it in four wheel drive once.
Between 59 and Orchard near Telegraph. You obviously weren't in the neighborhoods.

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This section shall not apply to persons maintaining, rearranging, or constructing public utility facilities in or adjacent to a street or highway.
So I'm assisting in maintaining a street by keeping others from committing a civil infraction

I know, I can read.

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Old December 20th, 2008, 06:38 AM   #52
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Does the police station get anything from the tow company they call, or is that illegal, I could see cops not letting you pull someone out if they have an incentive to call a tow truck. Also I have been toldif you do get ticketed, if u go to court and plead the good Samaritan thing you can almost always get off.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 08:57 AM   #53
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Alrighty then. It is a cite to impede traffic. Granted.

So it is not illegal to pull a buddy out of a ditch as long as you commit no other infractions.
I will concede that any officer has the right, if not duty to stop any act he deems unsafe. Unless someone can show where it is codified by law (anywhere), pulling a buddy out of a ditch is perfectly legal. But please, prove me wrong.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 09:41 AM   #54
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Pulled out a truck in a bars parking lot that got the plow high centered in a fresh bank (owner was the guy driving). Took 30 seconds and he said the drinks were on him that night. Paid $14 (a tip) for at least $80 worth of drinks me and my buddy amassed that evening
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Alrighty then. It is a cite to impede traffic. Granted.

So it is not illegal to pull a buddy out of a ditch as long as you commit no other infractions.
I will concede that any officer has the right, if not duty to stop any act he deems unsafe. Unless someone can show where it is codified by law (anywhere), pulling a buddy out of a ditch is perfectly legal. But please, prove me wrong.
Agreed. Pull away people.
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It is a subjective call I guess. If the officer feels that you are causing an unsafe condition by pulling your buddy out of the ditch, they can write you up for impeding traffic or some other catch all violation. Even if you aren't blocking the roadway, if people are slowing down to watch, they can cite you. Technically, if a vehicle slides into a ditch, an accident has occured. If no damage occured to the property or the vehicle, most likely the officer will not write it up as an accident. It is too much paper work. But, strapping someone out of a ditch could be seen as interfering with an accident or whatever the police consider that.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 09:52 AM   #57
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It is a subjective call I guess. If the officer feels that you are causing an unsafe condition by pulling your buddy out of the ditch, they can write you up for impeding traffic or some other catch all violation. Even if you aren't blocking the roadway, if people are slowing down to watch, they can cite you. Technically, if a vehicle slides into a ditch, an accident has occured. If no damage occured to the property or the vehicle, most likely the officer will not write it up as an accident. It is too much paper work. But, strapping someone out of a ditch could be seen as interfering with an accident or whatever the police consider that.
That I don't disagree with, but NO WHERE does it say that helping to recover a vehicle that has slid off the road is illegal.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 10:00 AM   #58
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I've pulled many people out of ditches in the past, and could have made a few bucks doing it yesterday but chose not to. I don't like laying in the snow anymore.

But I can't remember ever pulling someone out of a ditch that it didn't require me blocking the road to get them out.
I always turn on the flasher (plow truck) while doing it and have never had a problem, but I also don't remember any police driving by. Just got lucky I guess.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 10:13 AM   #59
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Well i thank everyone that will pull someone out. I called my buddy because i got stuck twice yesterday. I was driving my girlfriends VW Beetle with bald ass tires. I got stuck Coming out of my appt. complex because the maintnence guys suck at plowing and once in the 7-11 parking lot. I really took a blow to my self estem cause i normally drive a truck and have no trouble. But luckelly i have a buddy with a 9000 pound excursion to pull my dumbass out.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 10:16 AM   #60
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People are way too wrapped up in politically correct legality bullshit these days. Whatever happened to just doing something nice for another?

If someone is off the road and I think it was an honest mistake and not them driving like a dumbass, I will help to pull them out.
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