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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:36 AM   #1
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Just wanted to see if anyone else heard the discussion in regards to this: http://www.startribune.com/nation/35829399.html

I laughed when a few callers called in and said that domestics are so much more expensive than foreign cars, and that the Chevy Malibu was so horrible on gas she couldn't afford it.

Some other lady who was a Honda owner started criticizing people for where their clothes are made. That's such a valid argument, because comparing a $20 T-shirt to a $25,000 car which a vehicle is typically people's 2nd largest investment next a house.

Nice to see people doing their fucking homework.

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Old December 11th, 2008, 08:45 AM   #2
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yeah people are idiots, they say that the domestics are the same as foreign because of how every car gets different parts from all over the world, it doesnt matter, the leading profit of foreign cars is not staying in the states. If you dont like domestic, go keep getting your cars from honda, toyota, nissan, and get them fixed at your local magic wok and watch your fucking country (THE UNITED STATED OF AMERICA) fall down the drain.
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Its like when all these news agencies talk about how America has been building inferior cars. what mid-size does consumers report is the highest quality right now? why a ford. who new.
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I'm not even sure if the antenna works on my daily driver anymore - haven't listened to anything other than blues-guitar via my usb drive since the summer.

So no, I didn't listen to 89x.

I did have the opportunity to drive a new malibu, decently optioned, as a rental car for a day - a little while back. Like the rhetoric has suggested it did indeed surprise me at how well it seemingly was assembled, and how decent a driving experience it was.

That being said, I find little distinction between worrying whether the fat-cat, out of touch, white collar executive that is robbing your parent's pensions whilst padding their own golden parachute is located on domestic soil, or overseas. (aimed at those that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge a global market, with global suppliers under the guise that "if profits" (do negative profits count?) stay here in the US then all will be warm and fuzzy in a 50's era leave it to beaver sorta way)

As for 2nd largest investment rhetoric:
a ) a vehicle- with very few exceptions is not an investment - it is a sinking fund, depreciating, wasting asset, that very may well be the family's 2nd largest bill, but all too commonly isn't even purchased, but rather rented for long terms

b ) on a gross domestic product measure, the motor vehicle industry is obviously VERY significant, but blindly throwing your money into a domestic name plate solely because it is domestic, and then carelessly spending the rest of your discretionary purchase power without care for domestic/foreign sourcing simply because it's a $20.00 tshirt, or a $900 desk, or a $4.99 pack of disposable razors, or a $1.79/lb pack of south american bannana's is a bit hypocritical if one stops to consider the total gross measure of all of those imports as well...


The domestic industrial base is indeed important to the foundation of America. I fully support the bridge loan and reorganizational attempt for them to attempt to compete in the market place.

The premise of that is compete. They need to continue to compete, and earn trust. They also obviously need to be able to fairly compete, and if their efforts at forgeign trade continue to be stymied, then our Government needs to level the playing field.

However, they do not need another generation of blind sheeple signing up to buy one of their vehicles simply because the name plate means it's a domestic (based on some ever changing, loosely defined meaning of the word)
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I just want 'free' trade agreements altered to be 'fair' trade agreements.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 10:50 AM   #6
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lmao... so this guy in his radio ad is calling all foreign cars ricers?
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What's unfair about free trade?
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yeah people are idiots, they say that the domestics are the same as foreign because of how every car gets different parts from all over the world, it doesnt matter, the leading profit of foreign cars is not staying in the states. If you dont like domestic, go keep getting your cars from honda, toyota, nissan, and get them fixed at your local magic wok and watch your fucking country (THE UNITED STATED OF AMERICA) fall down the drain.
yes they are.

ryebread hit the nail on the head.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 11:59 AM   #10
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As for 2nd largest investment rhetoric:
a ) a vehicle- with very few exceptions is not an investment - it is a sinking fund, depreciating, wasting asset, that very may well be the family's 2nd largest bill, but all too commonly isn't even purchased, but rather rented for long terms
Agreed with everything else in your post.

It is not an investment in the terms of something you get a return on. But when you invest in a house by purchasing one, and the value goes down, that doesn't mean it's not an investment anymore.

Maybe I should have worded it as a vehicle is usually the 2nd largest purchase, which can be financed, etc. etc. To me it is an investment, because you're investing in transportation, something to enjoy, etc. etc.

I invested in a college education, but I didn't make any return of interest on that money I shelled out to get one.

Am I making sense?
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I'm not even sure if the antenna works on my daily driver anymore - haven't listened to anything other than blues-guitar via my usb drive since the summer.

So no, I didn't listen to 89x.

I did have the opportunity to drive a new malibu, decently optioned, as a rental car for a day - a little while back. Like the rhetoric has suggested it did indeed surprise me at how well it seemingly was assembled, and how decent a driving experience it was.

That being said, I find little distinction between worrying whether the fat-cat, out of touch, white collar executive that is robbing your parent's pensions whilst padding their own golden parachute is located on domestic soil, or overseas. (aimed at those that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge a global market, with global suppliers under the guise that "if profits" (do negative profits count?) stay here in the US then all will be warm and fuzzy in a 50's era leave it to beaver sorta way)

As for 2nd largest investment rhetoric:
a ) a vehicle- with very few exceptions is not an investment - it is a sinking fund, depreciating, wasting asset, that very may well be the family's 2nd largest bill, but all too commonly isn't even purchased, but rather rented for long terms

b ) on a gross domestic product measure, the motor vehicle industry is obviously VERY significant, but blindly throwing your money into a domestic name plate solely because it is domestic, and then carelessly spending the rest of your discretionary purchase power without care for domestic/foreign sourcing simply because it's a $20.00 tshirt, or a $900 desk, or a $4.99 pack of disposable razors, or a $1.79/lb pack of south american bannana's is a bit hypocritical if one stops to consider the total gross measure of all of those imports as well...


The domestic industrial base is indeed important to the foundation of America. I fully support the bridge loan and reorganizational attempt for them to attempt to compete in the market place.

The premise of that is compete. They need to continue to compete, and earn trust. They also obviously need to be able to fairly compete, and if their efforts at forgeign trade continue to be stymied, then our Government needs to level the playing field.

However, they do not need another generation of blind sheeple signing up to buy one of their vehicles simply because the name plate means it's a domestic (based on some ever changing, loosely defined meaning of the word)
Very well said, and I agree 100%
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I'm not even sure if the antenna works on my daily driver anymore - haven't listened to anything other than blues-guitar via my usb drive since the summer.

So no, I didn't listen to 89x.

I did have the opportunity to drive a new malibu, decently optioned, as a rental car for a day - a little while back. Like the rhetoric has suggested it did indeed surprise me at how well it seemingly was assembled, and how decent a driving experience it was.

That being said, I find little distinction between worrying whether the fat-cat, out of touch, white collar executive that is robbing your parent's pensions whilst padding their own golden parachute is located on domestic soil, or overseas. (aimed at those that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge a global market, with global suppliers under the guise that "if profits" (do negative profits count?) stay here in the US then all will be warm and fuzzy in a 50's era leave it to beaver sorta way)

As for 2nd largest investment rhetoric:
a ) a vehicle- with very few exceptions is not an investment - it is a sinking fund, depreciating, wasting asset, that very may well be the family's 2nd largest bill, but all too commonly isn't even purchased, but rather rented for long terms

b ) on a gross domestic product measure, the motor vehicle industry is obviously VERY significant, but blindly throwing your money into a domestic name plate solely because it is domestic, and then carelessly spending the rest of your discretionary purchase power without care for domestic/foreign sourcing simply because it's a $20.00 tshirt, or a $900 desk, or a $4.99 pack of disposable razors, or a $1.79/lb pack of south american bannana's is a bit hypocritical if one stops to consider the total gross measure of all of those imports as well...


The domestic industrial base is indeed important to the foundation of America. I fully support the bridge loan and reorganizational attempt for them to attempt to compete in the market place.

The premise of that is compete. They need to continue to compete, and earn trust. They also obviously need to be able to fairly compete, and if their efforts at forgeign trade continue to be stymied, then our Government needs to level the playing field.

However, they do not need another generation of blind sheeple signing up to buy one of their vehicles simply because the name plate means it's a domestic (based on some ever changing, loosely defined meaning of the word)
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Agreed with everything else in your post.

It is not an investment in the terms of something you get a return on. But when you invest in a house by purchasing one, and the value goes down, that doesn't mean it's not an investment anymore.

Maybe I should have worded it as a vehicle is usually the 2nd largest purchase, which can be financed, etc. etc. To me it is an investment, because you're investing in transportation, something to enjoy, etc. etc.

I invested in a college education, but I didn't make any return of interest on that money I shelled out to get one.

Am I making sense?
yes, I see what you're getting at.

A brief comment on the property/house investment. Aside from the market value fluctuations, deprecation on real property improvements is rarely as straightforward/straightline as it is with a vehicle. Similar to your education investment, real property, especially that used/qualified as a homestead has other significant investment components that are often, but should not be overlooked.

Chief among them is the ability to leverage the purchase, and then use that leverage as a tax shelter against gross income.

The day the fed's let me use interest, and/or other vehicular related expenses against my own personal income is the day I'll happily buy another 3 ton, 20+ foot long, V8/V10/V12 powered, drag coeeficient of a barndoor, mode of transportation

With the bamacrat's in charge I do not think that such a scenario will be happening however...
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Domestics can be more expensive than their competition. If you factor in depreciation. A 10 year old camry is worth a hell of a lot more than a 10 year old grand prix. Hence if you bought them at equal price the grand prick would be more expensive.

and the common person is a moron when it comes to cars.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 06:25 PM   #16
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What's unfair about free trade?
If it was free both ways it would be fair. But it's not.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 06:30 PM   #17
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my uncle is in the army and drives a toyota highlander because it got good roll over ratings. it is pitiful how people think these days.
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Old December 11th, 2008, 06:47 PM   #18
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I guess all the crap we buy from China has no effect on the economy.
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I actually try and buy american things, even my clothes.......
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