37 is the new 35? - Page 6 - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > General Tech
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier All Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old December 18th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #101
Mclovin
"The Situation"
 
Mclovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Westland, Mi
Posts: 14,392
iTrader: (15)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Mclovin Send a message via Yahoo to Mclovin
Default

im running 38s that measure out to around 37 at 15 psi.. on dana 44's mini spool rear and lockright front 5.13 gears and its point and shoot.. truck works well with that combo ! i would like to upgrade to an IROK or something
Mclovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old December 18th, 2008, 10:00 PM   #102
Kawierider
Senior Member
 
Kawierider's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-29-06
Location: Livonia
Posts: 1,532
iTrader: (2)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

I don't know.

I wheel a cherokee on 4 inch short arm lift, 33 Truxes, D30 w/ LSD and ford 8.8 locked in the rear.

I've wheeled:
Rubicon
Moab
Independance trail system
Arizona

The list of places is longer if you look back to when I was open/open on 31 a/t's

The open diffed, smaller tire era of my truck taught me alot about driving and many times went everywhere some bigger rigs went and more.

I recommend every wheeler take a stock or close to stock rig out for at least a season and learn the vehicle before they modify. This develops the driving skill and the basics of wheeling before they spend lots of time and money on something they dont really need.

That being said--my next rig will have a solid frame and 37's. I want to be able to do some more obstackles than I currently can. I'm only hesitant to do this because, lets face it---you need to drive pretty far to use the full capability of a 37 inch tire. (except in winter or rain of course)
Kawierider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 18th, 2008, 11:44 PM   #103
Mclovin
"The Situation"
 
Mclovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-07-05
Location: Westland, Mi
Posts: 14,392
iTrader: (15)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Mclovin Send a message via Yahoo to Mclovin
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawierider View Post

I recommend every wheeler take a stock or close to stock rig out for at least a season and learn the vehicle before they modify. This develops the driving skill and the basics of wheeling before they spend lots of time and money on something they dont really need.
I couldnt Agree more !!!!!! wheel it stock or budget boosted on 31s before you take the plunge to a big set up.. you dont learn to swim by diving in the deep end.. you pee in the shallow end for a yr or so..
Mclovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2008, 05:11 AM   #104
VonDirt
Senior Member
 
VonDirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-10-06
Location: west side michigan
Posts: 629
iTrader: (19)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

im sure others have experienced this before -

more than once ive ended up behind a group (not organized) of ad hoc wheelers and ended up running with them for awhile. one time in particular there was almost every combination of experience/vehicle you could think of; a bone stock yj to a guy stretched out on 42's and allot in between. in general, the guy on 42's was bored and everybody else was having a good time. every time the yj cleared something everybody cheered, laughed, high fived, whatever. it was somehow more entertaining/shocking to see the four banger open diffs manual on 29's sputter through than any of the others. basically, the different terrain favored different combinations of lift and tire size. sure, the big guys walked most everything but i think we all "woke up" a little bit that day, like we'd all been reading too many magazines opinions about what's required to wheel.

building up your rig and seeing the cause and effect of mods can be a pricey experience - but, its human nature to not be good with any given situation and to keep screwing with what's at hand. sort of like the fashion and design industries, it goes to a point . . . . . then swings back the other way. but in any case, (including tire size) it never stops changing.
VonDirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2008, 07:24 AM   #105
silverxj
team 14b
 
silverxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Davisburg
Posts: 5,617
iTrader: (64)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 95geo View Post
I shal call you "thee god of wheeling"
touche`


I have never claimed to be a know it all or state that I am the almighty when it comes to my favorite passtime.


What is it with all the animosity as of late?
(this isn't directed at you Geo ... just a general interpretation of a lot of responses to this and other threads)
silverxj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2008, 07:52 AM   #106
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 21,011
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VonDirt View Post
im sure others have experienced this before -

more than once ive ended up behind a group (not organized) of ad hoc wheelers and ended up running with them for awhile. one time in particular there was almost every combination of experience/vehicle you could think of; a bone stock yj to a guy stretched out on 42's and allot in between. in general, the guy on 42's was bored and everybody else was having a good time. every time the yj cleared something everybody cheered, laughed, high fived, whatever. it was somehow more entertaining/shocking to see the four banger open diffs manual on 29's sputter through than any of the others. basically, the different terrain favored different combinations of lift and tire size. sure, the big guys walked most everything but i think we all "woke up" a little bit that day, like we'd all been reading too many magazines opinions about what's required to wheel.

building up your rig and seeing the cause and effect of mods can be a pricey experience - but, its human nature to not be good with any given situation and to keep screwing with what's at hand. sort of like the fashion and design industries, it goes to a point . . . . . then swings back the other way. but in any case, (including tire size) it never stops changing.
Yes, I have seen it too. I quite often like to tail gun and I've been on more than one run where almost the whole group gets spotted through and then when it's my turn they all turn around and go back to their rig. Maybe it's just me?

However, I rarely get bored on those type of runs. I can have a fun day whether it's on 2 tracks in West Branch or a tough rock run. I just enjoy being out in the woods. If I know the day is going to be filled with a variety of rigs, I set my mindset for it and sit back and enjoy. They only time I get frustrated is when a run is set up to be tougher and then at the last minute the open diff'ed on 31's shows up unenvited. Then I'm frustrated.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 19th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #107
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 21,011
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by silverxj View Post
touche`


I have never claimed to be a know it all or state that I am the almighty when it comes to my favorite passtime.


What is it with all the animosity as of late?
(this isn't directed at you Geo ... just a general interpretation of a lot of responses to this and other threads)
You sir are simply a PITA.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 04:24 AM   #108
VonDirt
Senior Member
 
VonDirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-10-06
Location: west side michigan
Posts: 629
iTrader: (19)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
then at the last minute the open diff'ed on 31's shows up unenvited



theres one in every crowd.
VonDirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #109
silverxj
team 14b
 
silverxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Davisburg
Posts: 5,617
iTrader: (64)
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VonDirt View Post


theres one in every crowd.
It's like gay friends .. we all have one.




and yes, I've been know to be a pita.
silverxj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 12:03 PM   #110
kb8ymf
Not as old as Whiterhino
 
kb8ymf's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-01-06
Location: Dryden,Mi.
Posts: 1,085
iTrader: (5)
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterhino View Post
They only time I get frustrated is when a run is set up to be tougher and then at the last minute the open diff'ed on 31's shows up unenvited. Then I'm frustrated.
Yep, and guess who ended up with 'that guy'?
Let's go wheeling dam it! This snow is giving me the itch to go!
j
kb8ymf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 12:09 PM   #111
Haggar
Covered in mud...
 
Haggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 17,606
iTrader: (55)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by whiterhino View Post
They only time I get frustrated is when a run is set up to be tougher and then at the last minute the open diff'ed on 31's shows up unenvited. Then I'm frustrated.
Hehehe, remember that year in Canada we got 4" of rain and the roads washed out?

Our last day (after the roads were gone and the trails were mush), we had just that, a guy on 31" ATs with open diffs who joined us (mostly 35-40s, locked, etc). Ugh, that was a long day.
Haggar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #112
whiterhino
I'm not old, honest...
 
whiterhino's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-07-06
Location: Davisburg MI
Posts: 21,011
iTrader: (21)
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kb8ymf View Post
Yep, and guess who ended up with 'that guy'?
Let's go wheeling dam it! This snow is giving me the itch to go!
j
That's because you're just so agreeable and accomodating. Yes, I thought about trying to shoot up to the mounds today but just have too much to do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
Hehehe, remember that year in Canada we got 4" of rain and the roads washed out?

Our last day (after the roads were gone and the trails were mush), we had just that, a guy on 31" ATs with open diffs who joined us (mostly 35-40s, locked, etc). Ugh, that was a long day.
That was an interesting day for sure. But it was actually pretty uneventful for us other than kb8ymf and I came out of a trail & ran head on to a local officer who was patrolling a private road. He stopped us and demanded "where did you come from?". We explained we had come through a trail up a ridge. He seemed rather confused but let us go.
whiterhino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 04:31 PM   #113
Skooter_Built
Fuck talk, Duck walk!
 
Skooter_Built's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Whitelake, MI
Posts: 14,442
iTrader: (26)
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Default

So far for the last 16 months ive been driving my TJ on 36" Radial Iroks(on 17" street wheels and beadlocks). For 90% of the time my Jeep is a daily driver and I used to have to drive to the places I wanted to wheel. On the orginal upgraded axles(Super 30 ARB locker, 4.56 gears, alloy shafts front. factory 44 rear; alloy shafts, 4.56, arb locker) i was always afraid of breakage, cause at the time i had to drive to where i wanted to wheel. Accidently i lucked into a set of custom axles earlier this year. Heres my price run down.

Trade complete rear 44 assembly, the super 30 kit from the front and about $2500. For that i recieved a Rockcrusher HP60 rear TJ width axle, with disks, and a ARB locker. The front axle is a hybrid; hp44 center section, TJ brackets, 35spline ARB locker with 35 spline inner shafts & 4.88 gears, ball joint dana 60 c's, and Solid Axle's ball joint knuckles & high steer arn, 5x5.5 outer kit, and 35 spline hubs. Had the axle assembled, steering made, spacers on the rear installed and beadlocks installed for a bit more then $4000.

So for around $6500 i have 2 very well built axles. Did i spend more then a sane person, probably but i feel confident now in my axles. If i remember things correctly, i probably had about $3000 or so invested in the stock axles with all the parts, installation & repair by Killer B. Eventually when i get a new suspension I will move up to 39's.
__________________
I'm the man in White.

If you want peace, prepare for war!

Forgiveness is between them and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting.
Skooter_Built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 08:21 PM   #114
Haggar
Covered in mud...
 
Haggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 17,606
iTrader: (55)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skooter_Built View Post
So far for the last 16 months ive been driving my TJ on 36" Radial Iroks(on 17" street wheels and beadlocks). For 90% of the time my Jeep is a daily driver and I used to have to drive to the places I wanted to wheel. On the orginal upgraded axles(Super 30 ARB locker, 4.56 gears, alloy shafts front. factory 44 rear; alloy shafts, 4.56, arb locker) i was always afraid of breakage, cause at the time i had to drive to where i wanted to wheel. Accidently i lucked into a set of custom axles earlier this year. Heres my price run down.

Trade complete rear 44 assembly, the super 30 kit from the front and about $2500. For that i recieved a Rockcrusher HP60 rear TJ width axle, with disks, and a ARB locker. The front axle is a hybrid; hp44 center section, TJ brackets, 35spline ARB locker with 35 spline inner shafts & 4.88 gears, ball joint dana 60 c's, and Solid Axle's ball joint knuckles & high steer arn, 5x5.5 outer kit, and 35 spline hubs. Had the axle assembled, steering made, spacers on the rear installed and beadlocks installed for a bit more then $4000.

So for around $6500 i have 2 very well built axles. Did i spend more then a sane person, probably but i feel confident now in my axles. If i remember things correctly, i probably had about $3000 or so invested in the stock axles with all the parts, installation & repair by Killer B. Eventually when i get a new suspension I will move up to 39's.

Question (again, we are getting off track)... what made you afraid of breakage? Your own personal wheeling history, or what you've seen/read in places like this? How many times did you break the stock axles?
Haggar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 08:31 PM   #115
Trailrig
Hoggin'-N-Boggin'
 
Trailrig's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-12-06
Location: Flushing, MI
Posts: 1,823
iTrader: (24)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Trailrig
Default

so when i go to order my new tires (i want a tire that is 35" in diameter) do i ask for 33's or 35's or ???????????????


man im confused
Trailrig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 09:17 PM   #116
Haggar
Covered in mud...
 
Haggar's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-06-05
Location: Oxford, MI
Posts: 17,606
iTrader: (55)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trailrig View Post
so when i go to order my new tires (i want a tire that is 35" in diameter) do i ask for 33's or 35's or ???????????????


man im confused
*most* big tires are around an inch shorter than advertized.

But it depends on a lot of things, and how you measure them. Usually if you mount it, put some pressure in it, and measure it off the vehicle, they are pretty close. Or measure front/back on the vehicle, rather than up/down, since the vehicle weight compresses them.

Just get a 35.
Haggar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #117
Trailrig
Hoggin'-N-Boggin'
 
Trailrig's Avatar
 
Join Date: 02-12-06
Location: Flushing, MI
Posts: 1,823
iTrader: (24)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Send a message via AIM to Trailrig
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
*most* big tires are around an inch shorter than advertized.

But it depends on a lot of things, and how you measure them. Usually if you mount it, put some pressure in it, and measure it off the vehicle, they are pretty close. Or measure front/back on the vehicle, rather than up/down, since the vehicle weight compresses them.

Just get a 35.

i was being sarcastic, but seriously i have had 33 unimts,35 bfgmt,38 tsl's, 38 tsl radial, 38.5 tslsx,39.5 boggers, 42irok and wheeled more on my 35's and 33's than all the rest combined.......so i am going back to a 35 on my rig

it does seem that 37" are the rave but what i though about is the clearance worth the reliability? do you think there is a large difference between a 37-35 in axle stress? is it as bad as 33-35 difference?

since i am only running d44's i decided to go to a 35" run stock shafts with full circle clips installed untill i pop them and upgrade then, yeah i wont be able to do a lot of stuff my buddies rigs can do but ohh well at least i will be out wheeling with them

Last edited by Trailrig; December 20th, 2008 at 09:32 PM.
Trailrig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20th, 2008, 10:29 PM   #118
JDirt
Always right-sometimes
 
JDirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-02-07
Location: Interlochen
Posts: 1,873
iTrader: (13)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

When it comes to "the is the new " I think it really boils down to " mine's bigger than your's" in most cases. Ofcoarse it depends on a lot of factors, like what kind of truck you have and where you wheel. For example, if deep mud is your thing than really big tires and a lot of hp is the only way to go. Me personaly, I like to go fast. So I went light with a lot of travel and smaller tires. I've had guys tell me I can't wheel anything hardcore with a D30/D44 and 33s, yet other than in the super deep mud or snow I seem to keep up (or lead) just fine.

I guess my point is it seems a lot of guys are going big just for the sake of going big. Not that there's anything wrong with that if you build it right.

On a side note, the last time I was at Twisted Trails, I was glad my truck wasn't any taller in the tight trails but some 40s would have been nice when I was buried to the doors in the mud. Awe hell, what can you do?
JDirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 21st, 2008, 10:35 AM   #119
Skooter_Built
Fuck talk, Duck walk!
 
Skooter_Built's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-05-05
Location: Whitelake, MI
Posts: 14,442
iTrader: (26)
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
Question (again, we are getting off track)... what made you afraid of breakage? Your own personal wheeling history, or what you've seen/read in places like this? How many times did you break the stock axles?
breaking steering parts, axle shafts, and gears were the big problems. What facilitated the axle swap was a blown up dana 30, i stripped the gears in the front and was getting tired of replacing the crush sleeve. I knew later on i wanted to step up to 39's and a doubler setup and at that point what i had wouldnt cut it. Now with my 36's these axles give me more confidence in my ability to try a harder line when i want to.
__________________
I'm the man in White.

If you want peace, prepare for war!

Forgiveness is between them and God. It's my job to arrange the meeting.
Skooter_Built is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 5th, 2009, 11:33 AM   #120
liv2mx
i like jungle gym's.
 
liv2mx's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-10-05
Location: silver lake and up in the air building america
Posts: 11,175
iTrader: (4)
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Default

i had alot of fun buying beaters and throwing 33's on them. but i have more fun with my 40's.
liv2mx is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > General Tech
Tags
potatoe digger

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:39 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.37235 seconds with 80 queries