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Old November 29th, 2008, 09:25 AM   #21
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defiantely weight in the bucket. That looks like a 3 yard loader or so. Back end of ours was planted even with 10k lbs in the bucket.


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Old November 29th, 2008, 09:37 AM   #22
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probably nothing, the bucket itself is pretty damn heavy.
the engine is heavier then the bucket, I'm sure of that...but it doesn't matter,since the engine is between the wheels...however, the counterweight at the very back of the machine (also sometimes on each side at the very back) does exactly as its name implies...

in order to get this machine to do this in a controlled way like that, I'm sure they had to do a few different things..remove the counterweights (probably fakes put back on made of aluminum or fiberglass), looks like they also lowered the air pressure in the tires quite a bit, to get the front axle center line lower, and yes, there is weight in the bucket..watch the video close and you can see it behind the banner stuck over the bucket...


also done things like that several times...never on purpose of course...skid steers with no attachments on them can be a lot of fun!
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Old November 29th, 2008, 10:14 AM   #23
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the engine is heavier then the bucket, I'm sure of that...but it doesn't matter,since the engine is between the wheels...however, the counterweight at the very back of the machine (also sometimes on each side at the very back) does exactly as its name implies...

in order to get this machine to do this in a controlled way like that, I'm sure they had to do a few different things..remove the counterweights (probably fakes put back on made of aluminum or fiberglass), looks like they also lowered the air pressure in the tires quite a bit, to get the front axle center line lower, and yes, there is weight in the bucket..watch the video close and you can see it behind the banner stuck over the bucket...


also done things like that several times...never on purpose of course...skid steers with no attachments on them can be a lot of fun!
Finally the winner There is no way that could be done WITH the correct counterweight. Yes I do operate equipment for a living and have had to stand on the brakes before with a raised full bucket, You might get the tires 3" off the ground but nothing more,(It FEELS like 3 feet) It is a cool video.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 10:31 AM   #24
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Thanks. I knew some people who knew what they were talking about, both due to physics and experience, would tell these tards that you can't do that without a shit-ton of weight in the bucket and/or lightened counterweights.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 12:03 PM   #25
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i operated a cat 950G front end loader for a few hundred ours and i don't recall ever seeing a counterweight in the back.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #27
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that shredders cool
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Holy power, look at this beast

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i operated a cat 950G front end loader for a few hundred ours and i don't recall ever seeing a counterweight in the back.
It's the thing the lights are mounted on, They are just another piece of the puzzle, something you don't usually notice but will always be there,

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Old November 29th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #30
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that shredders cool
Impressive to see that loader tire devoured like that!
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Old November 29th, 2008, 06:33 PM   #31
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i operated a cat 950G front end loader for a few hundred ours and i don't recall ever seeing a counterweight in the back.

you would see it as a bumper, till you realize that its either solid steel, or a welded steel casing full of weighted material...
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Finally the winner There is no way that could be done WITH the correct counterweight. Yes I do operate equipment for a living and have had to stand on the brakes before with a raised full bucket, You might get the tires 3" off the ground but nothing more,(It FEELS like 3 feet) It is a cool video.

I repair heavy equipment..I know what its like to remove/install those counterweights...and I've had to add extra weight to machines on multiple occasions, like changing a standard excavator to a long reach, or changing the size of the bucket on a loader, or the reach, etc...
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Old November 29th, 2008, 06:45 PM   #33
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imagine that every one hagger has a story that makes what ever he has bigger and better
imagine that, hosejockey is going again.

What do I have? A story about how 16 yers ago, I worked for a landscape firm to pay for college? Wow, what a whopper of a story. How can I live with myself. The shame.

The company I worked for had a Michigan L-70 and an L-120. The L70 looked like the cat in the pic. They aren't doing flips on empty buckets. Thats all.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #34
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I used to own the largest rubber tire back Hoe Case made. it was a 780D model and it weighed in around 28,000 lbs empty. It could lift 9,300 at the bucket with a two yard loader. I have had it doing wheelies running up hill without a load. it was loads of fun. I never could find out what its break out limit was on digging. it had a 24' reach and I burried my neighbors Persheron with it. it lifted that horse at full reach and swung it in the hole.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #35
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Finally the winner There is no way that could be done WITH the correct counterweight. Yes I do operate equipment for a living and have had to stand on the brakes before with a raised full bucket, You might get the tires 3" off the ground but nothing more,(It FEELS like 3 feet) It is a cool video.

Yota Bill and you are wrong. Take ten minutes and study some simple physics. The factors involved are weight, moment arm, inertia. Doing some simple trig with the moment arms will let you see how it is possible to perform this stunt.
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Old November 29th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #36
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Looks like what they used to do at the Silverdome during half time of the Monster Truck shows, but with a smaller bob cat.
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Yota Bill and you are wrong. Take ten minutes and study some simple physics. The factors involved are weight, moment arm, inertia. Doing some simple trig with the moment arms will let you see how it is possible to perform this stunt.
O.K genious when ever you are ready to SHOW me your physics at work let me know I'll supply the loader. I run heavy equipment for a living as an Operating Engineere in the local 324,A loader will not just do butt wheelies without a coal or chip bucket (oversize for the machine) installed and loaded with gravel or similar spoils. These precautions are built into the machine for just this reason. If it sounds like I'm calling you out I AM. Would you like a CAT,JD or Komatsu?
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O.K genious when ever you are ready to SHOW me your physics at work let me know I'll supply the loader. I run heavy equipment for a living as an Operating Engineere in the local 324,A loader will not just do butt wheelies without a coal or chip bucket (oversize for the machine) installed and loaded with gravel or similar spoils. These precautions are built into the machine for just this reason. If it sounds like I'm calling you out I AM. Would you like a CAT,JD or Komatsu?


Your on. I choose the machine, load, surface, and anything else I wish to make this machine do what I want. I would need a machine set up similar to the ones in the videos (the last video would be my choice). It doesn't need to be a giant machine. I get time to practice with the machine and a waiver of liabilty.

I don't have the experience to ride the wheelies out but I will make the rear of the machine lift up.

If you are serious and have the clearance from your employer, PM me and we will get the ball rolling.

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I don't have alot of personal money I could throw at this as far as a bet (I'm building a house) but if we could get some money donated to a charity if I pull this off, that would be cool.
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so what your thinking is that if you get enough weight lifted high enough, start travelling at a high speed, and then slam on the brakes, that will be enough to force the front end to fall down, rotating on the front axle...


good luck with that...

the counterweight is weighted to a point to counteract the max capacity of the loader..and the hydraulic reliefs will not allow you to go over that max capacity


the engineers know the kinds of things owners and operators try to do with these machines, and they are designed not to do this...some newer machines even have some pretty complex electric/hydraulic systems that control suspension, lifting capacity, travel speed, etc...for example ( and this isnt even anything complex, or new) a lot of machines are setup so that if the weight on the loader arms is above a certain percentage, or the height is above a certain point, the trans will not go above 2nd gear, or about 5-7 MPH...


but if you do decide to try this, just make sure everything is safe...besides making sure everyone is clear, and that you are strapped in, also make sure to lock the steering safety bar...trying to put that much weight on the steer cylinders will force them over relief, and could result in loss of control or possibly a rollover...
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