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Old April 11th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #141
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Definately getting into the "fun", with this 3 link. I'll tell you I've many times looked at it and thought about putting leaf's under there..lol.

I'm sticking with my numbers being pretty decent, but like everyone says, you have to work with what you can fit. I don't have an issue moving the engine mount. That should be th eonly thing I need to do, I think. With the motor being back as far as it is, it creates enough room for the upper mount and track bar to swing between the engine and the radiator.

The other compromise, is that the UCA mount on the frame, I will have to run the bolt all the way through the frame. So I'll drill and sleeve the frame, then weld the mount on. Not a big deal, but I wanted to make a few adjustment holes to change the anti-dive, but oh well. Its I think around 70% or so, should be ok.

Track bar, ooh, ya, that'll be fun. Think I'll drop some tabs down from the outside of the frame and attach to the axle on top of the diff.
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Old April 11th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #142
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nice. I love this build Jesus
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Old April 12th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #143
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Did a little more,once the easter bunny left this morning...

Drilled and sleeved the frame for the UCA bolt.



And got the axle bracket done. I swear, it seems like some days all you do is make brackets. So, here's the link in place. I still need to finish the bracket at the frame end, but it fits in place. So, there's 7.5" of seperation on the front axle. Would have helps the clearance to have less, but really want a good amount, since thats all that holds the axle from rotating.




My motor is pretty far rearward compared to the axle, so I'm not interfering with the engine, at least. Here's an above shot. There should be about 1" between the frame and the link, and about 1.5-2" clearance between the mount and the radiator.




Here's the one previously mentioned interference. At ride height, there's only about a half inch betewen the link and the engine mount. Where it is on the link, I need about 2.5-3" of clearance to get 6" of travel at the end. So I'll remove the saddle piece, and raise the mount up about 2.5-3" as needed. I also need/want to swap out that exhaust manifold to one that dumps out the back, instead of down...


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Old April 13th, 2009, 11:01 AM   #144
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looks good.thats a tight fit..
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Old April 13th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #145
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looks good.thats a tight fit..


Its amazing how small a flattie is. Trying to get everything into this little Jeep is a challenge. I think the body is 9 feet long from grill to tailgate. 10'6" bumper to bumper.
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Old April 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #146
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Its amazing how small a flattie is. Trying to get everything into this little Jeep is a challenge. I think the body is 9 feet long from grill to tailgate. 10'6" bumper to bumper.

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Old April 13th, 2009, 08:21 PM   #147
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Yeah, but my suspension will (hopefully) actually work......
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A little more interference found today. Issue is the steering. I've been having trouble packaging the steering. First plan was to use a toyota IFS steering box. Those mount on the outside of the frame rail. Problem there, is the steering shaft would have to go right through the shock hoop. So that won't work. Then was maybe going to try to mount an astro box inside the rail. But with the placement of the upper control arm, that can't package. So, that leaves a standard saginaw box. (I really don't want to go full hydro, unless I have no other option). I picked up a Durango box today, started mocking it in place. This immediately crashed into the crossmember I had in place under the grill. So I cut that out. I will move it back 2", it will actually be better there to support the radiator. I will have to also trim out an inch or two of the bottom of the grille, to clear part of the box. Here you can see the other interfence issue I had, as the steering shaft would interfere with the upper control arm. So I knocked the mount off, and I will move it inboard about 2" towards the center of the axle. I *think* I can make it all fit.



Here's a shot from the side. Note, thats not the pitman arm I'm going to use. Thats the stock durango arm, too long and too much drop. I have a stock TJ arm that I'll use, its almost flat and about 1" shorter. I think I can also squeeze the box forward another 1/2-1", although I might need to clearance the front bumper to move the box up more than 1/2". Its getting real tight to find a slot in there to have the trackbar fit through the whole range of motion. But, I think it will still fit. I might need to slightly rework the UCA axle mount.

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Old April 14th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #149
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A little more interference found today. Issue is the steering. I've been having trouble packaging the steering. First plan was to use a toyota IFS steering box. Those mount on the outside of the frame rail. Problem there, is the steering shaft would have to go right through the shock hoop. So that won't work. Then was maybe going to try to mount an astro box inside the rail. But with the placement of the upper control arm, that can't package. So, that leaves a standard saginaw box. (I really don't want to go full hydro, unless I have no other option). I picked up a Durango box today, started mocking it in place. This immediately crashed into the crossmember I had in place under the grill. So I cut that out. I will move it back 2", it will actually be better there to support the radiator. I will have to also trim out an inch or two of the bottom of the grille, to clear part of the box. Here you can see the other interfence issue I had, as the steering shaft would interfere with the upper control arm. So I knocked the mount off, and I will move it inboard about 2" towards the center of the axle. I *think* I can make it all fit.



Here's a shot from the side. Note, thats not the pitman arm I'm going to use. Thats the stock durango arm, too long and too much drop. I have a stock TJ arm that I'll use, its almost flat and about 1" shorter. I think I can also squeeze the box forward another 1/2-1", although I might need to clearance the front bumper to move the box up more than 1/2". Its getting real tight to find a slot in there to have the trackbar fit through the whole range of motion. But, I think it will still fit. I might need to slightly rework the UCA axle mount.

What about using a fj 60/80 box and swing the arm the other way.


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I tihnk it'd still be in the way. Because it'd need to be, say, spaced do the sector shaft was directly over the center of the axle. That'd be dead center of the shock hoop, so it'd hit the shock, and you'd still not be able to get the steering shaft out.

No, its pretty much gotta be the durango box, which is fine, its about as strong as you can get in a saginaw box. Again, my goal is to not have hydro assist or full hydro, just a standard steering box.

I could always move the upper link to the passenger side if I really can't get things packged. It'd actually make things a lot easy to get the track bar in place as well. I'll look at the possibility tomorrow.
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OK, so I think this will work. I moved the upper link to the passenger side today. This looks like it should fix 3 main issues for me.

Issue 1 is the steering box, now the steering shaft can make a straight shot from the box to the column.

Issue 2 is that there will be room for the track bar, which was getting pinched between UCA mount and the steering.

Issue 3 is that the exhaust can now be routed without new manifolds, as the passenger manifold dumps straight back, instead of down like the drivers side.

So, this looks like it should. But, I can't fit hi steer, so I need to find a set of stock steering arms and make an inverted-t style.

Here's the new mount location. I still have 7.5" of vertical seperation, and this will actually put less stress I think on the bracket, as its not so long. I still do need to cut out the saddle part of the engine mounts and move the passenger mount up a little bit.






Here you can see that the exhaust can clear the upper link with some room. Saves me from having to rework or find a new manifold.





So, since I've stopped for a bit on the front, I'll start on the cage. Got a touch done before heading to bowling tonight. Tomorrow I'm picking up another 4.3 for parts, and the TH350 with the D300 adapter. But, you can start to see the lines coming together on the cage. Pretty simple and classic. Hard to tell in the pick, but there are actualyl two spreader bars up there, with 8" between them. Makes a nice space between them to hang a CB, map lights, etc.....


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Old May 7th, 2009, 01:08 AM   #152
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Old May 15th, 2009, 01:48 PM   #153
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Any updates?
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Old May 15th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #154
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Not much, actually. I've been busy again with the usual work (as we've been launching the camaro and lacrosse, and designing the next malibu), and the spring chores around the house.

I got new steering arms, so I can start putting the front end back together.

But, its probably going to sit for a month or so more. I'm buying a TJ on 33s for a daily driver, that needs sme reassembly. Then I need to spend a few weeks doing repair on my tow rig. But the CJ will not be dropped.
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Old May 15th, 2009, 05:22 PM   #155
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sweet 7lb 8oz baby jesus that thing makes me happy. very nicely done.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 08:30 PM   #156
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It looks like longfield is now making custom length inners at only $160ea.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 09:18 PM   #157
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It looks like longfield is now making custom length inners at only $160ea.
Too bad I put the thing up for sale today...

Don't think its replacement project will use the toy axles, they'll be a little light for what I want.

thanks for the tip, though, nice to see he's offering them...
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yeah, I saw that, but figured I'd put it here if someone else decides to widen a toy axle.
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yeah, I saw that, but figured I'd put it here if someone else decides to widen a toy axle.
Or buy my housing :-)
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Old August 6th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #160
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Boo, boo, boooooo and double boo.

Nice work so far, but now you fall into the ever increasing group of people who suck.

I hope all the offers you get are for trades for paintball stuff, aquariums, RC cars, and lowrider parts. Or better yet, a bunch of questions about what it would take to make it a DD.
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