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Old February 23rd, 2009, 04:40 PM   #101
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Old February 23rd, 2009, 07:34 PM   #103
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Old February 24th, 2009, 04:24 AM   #104
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Right now, planning to have Brian Ellinger make a set of custom length 30 spines for me. A touch pricey but there aren't a lot of options for them.

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nice, best to do it right once and be done with it
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Old February 24th, 2009, 08:49 AM   #105
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Yup, $225 per side for the inners.

I've got the long side done, I'm considering backing the short side up to stock length, so only one custom shaft. That'd make it 60" wide (I might be picking up a 60" wide 4 runner axle).
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Old February 24th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #106
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Shame you can't add more to the short side to get the long side to come out stock, that way the only custom shaft can be made from a spare long-side shaft, but I assume that would put the diff under the oil pan.
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Shame you can't add more to the short side to get the long side to come out stock, that way the only custom shaft can be made from a spare long-side shaft, but I assume that would put the diff under the oil pan.
Yeah, and I'm specifically making the diff more offset to the passenger side, so that if I go with an automatic down the road, I'll have less troubles clearing the pan. The entire vehicle frame is wider thna stock also for this type of clearance.

These are 30 spline longfield shafts, there aren't really any options out there. There are two or three places I know that make these inners, and they are all about the same cost.

I've seen people do that, add 6" to the short side and leave the long side stock, that moves the diff over a lot.

Like I said, I might redo the passenger side to be stock length, not sure.
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OK, so the front axle is welded together...

I ended up making it 4" wider on the long side, 1" wider on the short side, should be a hair over 61" WMS. Diff is shifted 1.5" over to the passenger side from stock.

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Alignment bar shot with the spacer removed, still pretty good and straight. Note, you can see that the diff is rotated upwards compared with stock. Its 7* more than stock, so I can run 2-3* more caster for streetability, and still have the pinion up 4-5* as well.



Here's the new axle next to a stock 1985 axle:



I'll eventually be doing some bracing between the tube and center section, but I want to get my track bar mount in place first. Some internal gusseting is in order as well, and knuckle gussets, but those will be after I get my link and shock mounts in place, as they will tie together.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #109
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Looks cool man. Nice job.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 09:40 AM   #110
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great work. axle looks freakin nice.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 10:37 AM   #111
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now that you have done all the hard work to get that set up. how much would you charge to widen a stock axle I have. I could bring you my stock housing to cut up.
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I barely have time to work on my own stuff, don't think I have enough time to do anyone elses, sorry.
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how about landing me your alignment gigs and that big ass bar
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when you weld everything up, there will certainly be heat distortion. How do you plan on removing that "stressproof steel" once te axle tubes are distorted?
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when you weld everything up, there will certainly be heat distortion. How do you plan on removing that "stressproof steel" once te axle tubes are distorted?
Big hammer...lol.... I was thinking the same thing as I was reading through this thread, i'm hoping he left at least some clearence in there.... Or gets lucky and didnt end up with much stress from welding.
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when you weld everything up, there will certainly be heat distortion. How do you plan on removing that "stressproof steel" once te axle tubes are distorted?
Gently pulling with one hand, thats how I already did it after welding. Its just fine. I'm not a complete idiot with welding, and its not like guys like spidertrax/diamond/currie/etc do anything differently.

You weld small amounts at a time, and I personally did welds 180* apart, so they'd pull against each other.

During the entire process, I monitored the binding for on that bar. It could always be rotated by hand without much force. That tells you two things: 1) The axle housing was pretty straight, given that there was VERY little slop in the alignment pucks, and 2) The rod was damn straight. The tolerances were close enough in the pucks in the carrier, that once you got the rod into the first puck (which was not easy, you had to be lined up perfectly), it would push directly into the second puck with no alignment work.
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Again repeat, ITS ALREADY WELDED UP. The rod slid out just fine by hand. Do you see the picture looking from the end? THe bar was already completely removed. Then I forgot that I wanted to see how good it was, so I re-inserted it through the carrier bearing pucks, without the end alignment pieces in place. The rod is floating perfectly in the center of the knuckle bores.

Straight enough for me. How many axles out there don't have a 1/32th, 1/16th, etc of bend in them after being beat on for a few years? Oh, but I didn't pay someone to build this for me, so it must fail. LOL. I'll warn the nuns and puppies now.

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Since Bones dcided to put 'stressproof steel' in quotes, I'll post what I used, to keep him happy:

Stressproof® Ground and Polished Round Bars
Analysis Mechanical Properties Applications Machineability and Weldability Tolerances Speedy Metals items

Stressproof ® Ground and Polished rounds is a carbon-manganese grade which is severely cold worked to produce high tensile properties. The bars are specially treated to relieve the stresses set up by the cold drawing, thus minimizing the tendency towards warpage after machining which is common in ordinary cold drawn bars. They are futher improved by grinding to a tight tolerance and polished for a smooth surface finish. Stressproof ® Ground and Polished bars have a built-in high strength hardness, without the need of heat treatment. Stressproof ® Ground and Polished rounds have the combination of free machinability, minimum warpage, high strength, and wearability not found in ordinary metals. Stressproof ® is a registered trademark of the LaSalle Steel Co.

ANALYSIS
Carbon (C) Manganese (Mn) Phosphorus (P)
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Sulfur (S)
0.4-0.48 1.35-0.165 0.04 0.24-0.33

Stressproof® cold roll rounds conforms to ASTM A311 Class B, ASTM A108

MECHANICAL PROPERTIES
Condition Tensile Strength (PSI) Yield Strength (PSI) Reduction of Area Elongation in 2" Brinell Hardness
Thur 2" 115,000 100,000 25 8 26
Over 2" Thru 3" 115,000 100,000 20 8 25
Over 3" 115,000 100,000 20 7 24

The above values are minimum requirements of ASTM A311 Class B

APPLICATIONS
Applications for Stressproof® G&P rounds are many, including cold punched nuts, split rivets, machine and wood screws, arbors, keyed shafts, motor shafts, splined shafts, drive-shafts, armature shafts, rotary pump shafts, gusher pump shafts, oil and water pump shafts, wrist pins, pinions, piston rods, arbors, spindles, gears, sleeves, lead screws, racks, link pins, mandrels, boring bars, collets, bushings, etc.

MACHINEABILITY AND WELDABILITY
Machinability is rated at 83% of B1112. Average cutting speed 140 ft/min. Because of a very high sulphur content, weldability is considered poor and not recommended.

TOLERANCES
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