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Old November 25th, 2008, 08:56 PM   #1
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Some may remember a while back I built a model of my 'dream jeep' out of cardboard and wheels off a nylint.. This was a flattie with a high 90" wb, 37s, ~22" belly height, etc...



Well, flash forward to today, and here's my garage...



Hehehehe.

This build will be very slow paced, as I've got small kids to raise and am ramping up to launch two new cars for GM, so work has me busy with a lot of travel. Besides, I'm doing this in a 2 car garage with basic tools.

Planned stats are: (already have this stuff..)

1959 Willys CJ3b
4.3 TBI / SM465 / Dana 300
Toyota axles with 4.10 gears
3 link front / 4 link rear with SAW 2.0 x 14" air shocks
37 x 14" Iroks on 15" steel beadlocks
Warn M8274 winch

Plan is 21-22" belly height, complete flat belly. Old school looking cage, nothing too crazy. Really, this isn't meant to be toooooo extreme, just something very simple, basic, and reliable. The only reason I'm using links and air shocks is because leafs would stick out too far and ruin the look of it.

Main frame is 2x3" 0.120" wall steel. The full cage will tie in at the grill, A, B, and C pillars, so the frame doesn't need to be as strong as a traditional frame. T-case is rotated flat and the floor is cut out to move the drivetrain up to get the flat belly. Seats will be some Mazda buckets I have laying around.

Basically, everything is being purpose built to be simple and functional. Anyway, look for more posts coming over the next few weeks.

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Old November 25th, 2008, 08:59 PM   #2
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that is sweet, making something small, and priceless, into something lifesize and worth something in value, very nice, cant wait to see your progess
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Old November 25th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #3
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what happened to the pipe buggy ?? i was looking forward to seeing that build
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Old November 25th, 2008, 09:06 PM   #4
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Old November 25th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #5
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what happened to the pipe buggy ?? i was looking forward to seeing that build
Basically, it would have been more than I wanted. Most of my club is Jeeps on 33s-38s, so it would have been a fun build, but more capability than I needed. So I chopped up the frame that I bent. Actually, the frame under this Jeep the one from the buggy cut down to fit.

I ended up starting with a tire, 37s in this case. Don't want to go bigger than that, so now its designing the Jeep around that one item to work as well as possible.

Light weight will be a big theme, target is to be under 3200 lbs trail ready. The goal is that on 37s, locked, winch, full cage, armoured, that it will be lighter, wider, longer wb, than a stock TJ. Better hp to weight and tq to weight numbers than most trail jeeps as well, without being v8 powered. Spreadsheet has me at about 3080 lbs at the moment.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #6
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Old November 25th, 2008, 10:46 PM   #7
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Looks good, should be a very cool build.
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I like the idea. From a design standpoint, if you ever think you want to run a true 37, don't use the Iroks as your gage for the tightest fit as they measure closer to 36". I've looked long and hard for a true 37" tire & find either 36 or 38.

Are you leaving it stock enough that you will be able to run a commercially available soft top? For me, having an all weather rig is really important. Especially with the wife & kids.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 08:28 AM   #9
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I like the idea. From a design standpoint, if you ever think you want to run a true 37, don't use the Iroks as your gage for the tightest fit as they measure closer to 36". I've looked long and hard for a true 37" tire & find either 36 or 38.

Are you leaving it stock enough that you will be able to run a commercially available soft top? For me, having an all weather rig is really important. Especially with the wife & kids.

Yeah, I know about the tire size. At least with the air shocks, I have a little adjustability, I think.

I just keep finiding th elarger the vehicle goes, the less overall fun I'm having. I still love technical challenges, but I still like back-woodsing in MI & Canada, etc, so my old truck was getting overkill.

Also, yes, I'm planning to leave the body more or less stock, so I can have a soft top. I have 2 sets of soft doors, and I think a trashed soft top now. My thought to start is trying a combo of soft doors, bikini top, and maybe a windjammer/tonneau setup to see how tight I can get that. I think the doors will be too short, though. Eventually I think a full soft top will be in order, so I'll keep the cage to a reasonable height.

Those two statements just kinda shore up why I stopped the buggy idea. I'd rather limit the size of the vehicle, and work on refining it, rather than keep going bigger.

I might even go back to a 4 cyl at some point in the future. If I can find a vortec 2800 for reasonable price, that'd be cool, with an AX15 and 4:1 gears in the t-case.
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I understand your wanting to keep it at that level. I put my standard just a tad higher limiting myself to a 40" tire. I'm very happy with the setup. But there's no way I would want to give up my V8.
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I understand your wanting to keep it at that level. I put my standard just a tad higher limiting myself to a 40" tire. I'm very happy with the setup. But there's no way I would want to give up my V8.
Yep, if I ran with the crowd you run with, then I'd run bigger tires. Its all about the situation. But I'm also trying to keep it light and simple, so staying with smaller axles.

Now, I might go the other way and want more power, too. I have a MPFI 4.3 in the garage that'd be ~40-50 more hp. I used to wheel a V8 CJ5, like it, but also had fun with my old 4 cyl, too. I think a lightweight higher hp 4 cyl would be fun for me. Kind of a modern re-interpretation of what made flatties good in the first place.


Heading over to pontiac steel in a few hours to get the 3" square (.188 wall) for my link mounts. Its thick enough and is 2-5/8" across inside to fit the link ends.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #12
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sweet! i have wanted to do that for a while
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Old November 26th, 2008, 11:56 AM   #13
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it'd look better with some dana 44's under it

it's looking good so far! use jesse's as a template and it'll be just right
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Old November 26th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #14
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WOW!! I have almost the same project only in a much more beginning stage. I'm still collecting parts before I get started. I am going to do a budget build keeping it as simple as possible. So far I've got a 78 CJ5 frame, waggy D44 f&r w/5.13 locked, NP435, Novak adapter, Dana20 twin sticked, rubicon express stock lift wrangler springs and a glass CJ3A body.
I'm going to go SOA w/shackle reversal and mounted outboard of the frame. I am going to stick with 36" to 37" tire. I am contimplating a goofy leaf or maybe 1/4 elliptic for the rear but not sure probably just go with the wrangler springs I already have.
I have not decided on an engine yet. I have a chevy 350;chevy 283;amc360; and ford 2.3 4cy.....but I really like the idea of the 4.3 just cant decide yet
I am also going with a simple cage tied to the frame. It will be OD green and maybe an MB grille and a few military trinkets to look like an MB
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Old November 26th, 2008, 03:12 PM   #15
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I initially wanted leaf springs as well, this frame was built for Toyota rear leaf springs. But I also wanted a high-90" wheelbase, probably 99", and just didn't like it when I mocked the springs in place.

But, one of my pet peeves is bashing my front spring hangers into rocks.

I'm doing the 4.3 because its easy. I want to get the rest of the Jeep together, then see how I like it, and determine if I want to go with a different drivetrain.

I need to go back and post up the various pics from working on it this summer...
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yea I know what you mean I am going to box the front spring hanger and build into them a little ramp like a skid plate but not so much it will hinder full droop
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Wow, I can see you 2 e-hugging yourselves all winter long.
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Keep the Flatties alive! Update us with as many pics you can
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So, going back to the summer, here's some various pics of what I'd no so far.

So, starting back when I was looking to get a buggy built, I got a pile of steel. Won't need quite all the round tube, but the rect is used for the frame. The frame a 2 x 3 x 0.120", the tube is A500 grade B structural tubing, in a pipe size. (1-1/4" sch 40, which works out to 1.66" x 0.140" wall). Its actually a touch stronger than standard HREW, and very dent resistant. I have it, so I'll use it.



Here's the rails taking shape for the frame. My goal is as much of this Jeep that can be from new material the better, as I don't want rusty bodies or frames, or ratty wiring, etc.



Here's the Jeep body sitting on the frame (which was shortened about 25" fromt he above pic to fit under the Jeep. ). This body came from 99GrandTJ, its a fiberglass tub, original front clip. I decided to build this one because of the rust-proof body, and the fact that the high-hood 3B style gave me a lot of options for engines, as well as mounting the suspension and brake booster that were going to be very tough to fit under the hood of my 3A.



Here's an early concept drawing that was done for the Jeep. Its a little long in the wheelbase, and also a little tall in the drawing, but gives the overall look. Think that was done with a low-hood 3a in the pic as well. This is the overall shape the cage will take. basic clean lines. Sharp eyes will also note that the front was designed for leaf springs.

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