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Old November 18th, 2008, 11:48 AM   #1
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***Disclaimer***This should only be used as a guide to help plan your trip. This information is my personal experience and is in no way meant to be an end all guide to WindRock / Coal Creek.

First and foremost:
This is my favorite park to date. WindRock is also known as Coal Creek ORV area. They have recently adopted the name WindRock while trying to change their image and attract more wheelers. WindRock is located in Oliver Springs Tennessee, which just happens to be one of the poorer looking towns in the area. The park is very HUGE (72,000 acres actually) so be aware that it will take you like an hour and half to run about 2” of trail on the map.

The other thing you need to be aware of is that all persons (drivers and riders) pay one set amount. So be prepared (they do take Visa/Mastercard)!

Most of the services roads (gravel roads) are very steep switch backs and narrow. Right off of one side is always a drop off. Be sure to watch your speed and drive carefully. On the sides of these roads are many crosses serving as a reminder to be CAREFUL.

Careful towing!
In this area they have many single pass dirt trails that are considered "roads". Most are switch backs up and down the mountain and you will not be able to travel more then 10mph through these areas. You will also see that the hillbillies in this area like to park in the middle of the road, so be on the lookout for some rusty Dodge road blocks.

Lodging:
Oliver Springs is about 7 miles from Oak Ridge Tn. In Oak Ridge, there are many parts stores and a normally looking town (including Chick-fil-a). With the exception of two hotels, (they are over $120 per night) they all have dirt ass online ratings. Most of them are very nasty hotels (I stayed in a Days Inn one night, its true!)

***Important, must read***Avoid Helton RV Campground like the Black Plague. You have been warned! (Read as, this place has “hillbillie Condos” available, but they are nasty trailers that they have not cleaned in 17 years!!!)

Proof of Nastiness! ***note in picture, Daryl pulled the silverware drawer out and it fell on the floor***ROFLOL Also note, it is April no where near Christmas.



So you basically have 3 options:
1.) Primitive camping or bunk house rentals at the new WindRock Campground.
2.) Stay at the two more pricey hotels in Oak Ridge (Sheridan or Double Tree).
3.) WindRock Bed and Breakfast.

Windrock Campground:
They are about 10 minutes down the road from the main park entrance. Don’t come into the campground from the West if your pulling a big trailer as there is a very very very narrow bridge. This place was brand new in April of 08’, so it looks be nice.

WindRock Campground

Oak Ridge Hotels:
Continental breakfast and room services…mmmmm. Remember stay away from anything under $120 per night, your better off camping or sleeping in your truck!

WindRock Bed and Breakfast:
You can rent the entire house (we fit 12 dudes comfortably) or you can rent just individual rooms. Don’t be a mamby pamby and give them your best offer (William Shatner will be proud). We negotiated with Sandy to rent the whole house with no breakfast and saved some loot! One thing, this is a really nice joint. One of the nicer places to stay in any of the parks I have been to. Be sure to take care of the place and DON’T WRECK IT! Also keep your eyes peeled for Red Dog cans, those are from Nuzzy!

WindRock Bed and Breakfast

Note about the Trails:
This park is HUGE! Don’t expect to see the whole park in just two days. We have 3 days at this park so far and only have seen maybe 15 miles of trails. Many of the trails are somewhat un-maintained. You might have to winch some down tress out of the way. If it has been raining, be aware of some of the higher altitude trails on the mountain, unless you want to slide off the side! And one last note, Trail 16 is EVERWHERE and could possibly be 90% of the trail system (exaggeration, but it is ridiculously long!)

Must see:
WindRock WindMills. We have not seen them in two trips there, but I hear they are awesome lol. Make it a goal to run up and look at them before starting to wheel, as you will not just “run into that area”.



RattleRock. This trail has to be the hardest trail in the eastern United States. It is a tough MoFo! Don’t be discouraged if you can’t finish it, but leave yourself at least 6 hours to try! If your group is larger, this trail could take 10+ hours with breakage and hang ups. Even if you don’t run this trail, you MUST drive to and look / walk it. It is an incredible trail!





The Red Door on RattleRock. This door has been on this trail for several years. Be sure to stop and get a good picture with it!





Rail Trail. This is trail number 39 (or near 39 and 3 intersection, not positive which). However it is rivaled only be RattleRock as far as hard trails go. We have yet to make it there, but be ready to spend a full day running it.

Scenic Overlooks. There are many scenic overlooks along the main gravel roads. They are worth stopping and gandering into the hills.



Waterfall. In on of the first Crawl Magazines, you can recall AlumCJ’s buggy climbing a waterfall, well that is from Windrock. It is on Trail 16 (told you it is everywhere!!) and even though we spent 8 hours on trail 16, we managed to just miss it!


Links:
http://www.coalcreekohv.com/
http://www.windrockbedandbreakfast.com/
Somewhat dated trail map http://www.tommyrhea.com/images/Coal...nd%20South.pdf

Pictures:
http://www.jcrpics.com/trips/Windrock%2011-08/
http://www.jcrpics.com/trips/Windroc...39;/index.html
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Old November 18th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #2
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thanks for all the info!
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Old November 18th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #3
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IBSilverXJsayshecanrunRattleRockin3minutes.
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Thanks for the great info. Very helpful since I am heading there this weekend.


Not. But good info anyway.

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RattleRock. This trail has to be the hardest trail in the eastern United States. It is a tough MoFo! Donít be discouraged if you canít finish it, but leave yourself at least 6 hours to try!

The same trip when I took the picture of AlumCJ on the waterfall that you talked about I saw him and 3-4 others run rattle rock in about 20 minutes


It is pretty tough for anything with a full body. Not uncommon to see a group spend all day there, or rigs temporarily left.
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Didn't silverxj go up rattle rock in 22 minutes with a dana 30/35?

I'm being serious.
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I saw him and 3-4 others run rattle rock in about 20 minutes

Jer in his buggy could prolly bomb the trail in 10 mins. Of course it can be done fast (look at KOH). And I'm sure you're just saying as a matter of course.

But just for clarification to others reading, I think Brimy's statement is that a good amount of time should be allotted since breakage can occur quickly, and in some areas of the trail going around is not really an option for most rigs, so you're stuck until shit's fixed. This is a *short* trail that CAN leave you stranded into the night with breakage if you start late.
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Didn't silverxj go up rattle rock in 22 minutes with a dana 30/35?

I'm being serious.

honestly wouldn't surprise me. Problem with rattle rock like almost any east coast trail is there isn't one set forced line. Rattle rock is especially this way where you have tons of different options on different ways to go up. So its hard to say what build level of a rig you need to try it with, or how fast it can be done etc because there are lots of variables.
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Jer in his buggy could prolly bomb the trail in 10 mins. Of course it can be done fast (look at KOH). And I'm sure you're just saying as a matter of course.
yeah just a random comment for discussion, no meaning behind it. The time I was talking about they weren't making any attempts at going fast on purpose either it was just all experienced comp guys and they just crawled the whole thing at a steady pace with no almost no problems.

I think it would be interesting though to see a course fenced in and have a timed competition up the hillside.
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Not to say it can't be done, but I would like to see someone other than in a comp buggy run the lower and upper part of rattle rock in that short of time.
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I think it would be interesting though to see a course fenced in and have a timed competition up the hillside.


That would be
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Didn't silverxj go up rattle rock in 22 minutes with a dana 30/35?

I'm being serious.
It was a 8.25

The truth to the story:

When we arrived at the bottom of the climb around 12:30-1pm there was a group of buggies getting ready to climb the 2nd half and thought wtf, maybe this is an all day trail. We caught up to them at the half way point in ~15 mins, replace a broken front 44 shaft and waited another 3.5-4hrs until they were done.

Once we finally started climbing we were done by 5:30-5:45. So, if you total the time it took for us to "drive" it, it was maybe 45-60 mins for 3 rigs. Jiri, for some that know him, literally drove the upper portion in what seemed like 10 mins. I did loose clips in a front shaft 3 times on the way up, put new ones in twice and winched the last rock to save the shafts. The guys in the buggies laughed until I got halfway up the 2nd half and walked away in disgust when my pos got 3/4 of the way. They were there f-o-r-e-v-e-r.

Funny story: also while waiting there was a fullsize Bronco with a broken 60 front shaft and broken 60 rear shaft on opposite corners at the midway point ... it was left over night and they were fubared ... two rigs with us strapped it and pulled it down the first half ... it was funny watching it bounce around. That probably took 5 mins. and they said they were lucky to come back to it the way they left it.

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The upper 1/3 is hard as hell now. It took Jer lots of this to finally get it up:


You CAN NOT crawl up RattleRock. I am not sure if you did prior, but anymore, there are about 4-5 sections were you just have to give some gas and hope you bounce through. At this point (actually about a jeep length from where Stans jeep is in the picture) which is about done with the first 1/3:



You have to just back up, and hit it hard and hope to bounce up out of the hole. We had to do this with all Jer's Buggy, Kirby's TJ, and My FJ40. We were the only ones to go up with a tug.

Basically, You really need to have your vehicle well built and not prone to breaking to get through RattleRock without a single winch line.

Both times I have run this part, I have made it through the first 1/3 in about 10 minutes tops. This time down, I started on the second half with Jer, but that was at Dusk (and my FJ was limping). I got to the 2/3 mark and got hung up. My Landcruiser would not start and I had to have Jer come back and winch me off.



If Jer and Myself ran this trail start to finish, we could probably run it in about 40minutes. As big as some of the holes are these days, that would really hauling ass.
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