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Old November 11th, 2008, 11:50 AM   #21
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A few months ago i was in the same position you were in. Originally planned on going with an older half ton cause i thought i couldnt afford a new diesel. I got my 02 F-250 fully loaded with 63k out the door for less than 14,000. Tows great, drives like a truck, gets around 19-20mpg daily. Ill never own a gasser again.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:08 PM   #22
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Yeah, then he's not buying a tow rig, which is a vehicle for occasional tow usage (like I said at the end). He sounds like he wants a nicer daily driver that will be correct vehicle when put in the role he needs. Sure, a half-ton will get him to the trail and back. It'll also get him a lot more wear and higher operating costs in addition to the up-front capital.
OMG you got it right. That is the reason I asked for opinions on half tons not one tons.

This is going to see more use in the long run but I'm not buying someting I can't fit into my parking space at the apartment complex. I can get by with a half ton because it may see 1 good heavy tow every 6 months or so but will see more little loads (500-2000lbs) more frequently.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 12:14 PM   #23
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I'm looking forward to getting rid of my 3/4 ton dodge, with a newer chevy 5.3.
With your short commute, a diesel would not be a great idea, IMO. The whole diesel price being 30-50% more than gas sucks, too.

If you are getting a michigan truck, get as new as possible. 90s dodge = rust. If not now, then soon.

Now, if you needed a 3/4 ton, then get a 3/4, and then you start looking at diesels, for sure. But 90% of the board probably does just fine with a 1/2 ton, and for the ~half a dozen times a year that most people tow heavy loads, you drive a little slower.

With the prices in the market, there are a lot of really nice 2-5 year old 1/2 tons out there for the money.
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as I posted on the other site.
Right now I'm seeing crap for mileage 9mpg in town anything will be a step up.
I'll probably start out flat towing the xj so pulling will be right around 4k I think.
I don't need a diesel which is what pud pwnder thinks on gl it would never warm up with my commute(s) BTW My commute is a mile one way a diesel would never warm up properly.
25K was a random number I threw out, it may go down but probably not up.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 02:23 PM   #24
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A one mile commute would be murder on a diesel. It isn't good on a gasser either.

Buy a diesel tow rig and a bicycle.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 02:53 PM   #25
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buy my 03 quad cab short bed dodge ram 2500. has a high output cummins and a 6spd. good fuel milage, plus im selling for todays special price of $11,800.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 02:54 PM   #26
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OMG you got it right. That is the reason I asked for opinions on half tons not one tons.

This is going to see more use in the long run but I'm not buying someting I can't fit into my parking space at the apartment complex. I can get by with a half ton because it may see 1 good heavy tow every 6 months or so but will see more little loads (500-2000lbs) more frequently.
That's what 2500's and even SRW 3500's are for (Dodge brought them back in the 3rd-gen).

A 1-mile commute would have been useful information at the beginning of the thread, but that's not really going to make any difference in a gasser warming up.

I agree with what 84Scrambler is suggesting - the budget constraint you posted would allow you to buy more than one vehicle. If its going to see more use in the long run, buy what you need for the long run and pick up something else to run around in.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #27
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lol at have to have a diesel its the only thing you can tow with comments.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 03:38 PM   #28
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Lol @ UP_ROKTOY's comments in this thread when he's stuck with the 1/2-ton truck he's been trying to get rid for a long time. Maybe the OP should buy it.

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that would be a great idea, as now that I am not towing the jeep I dont even need a half ton and plan on downsizing.

I could always buy your suburban or your dodge, I mean why not pay 3500 for something I dont need (like a dually diesel) when i could pay more for a nicer vehicle equipped for my needs?
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lol at have to have a diesel its the only thing you can tow with comments.
yea no shit. I think PP became the spokesman for every Dodge Diesel on GL4x4.

I have a DD now, its an XJ. For the time being and till sometime in the future it will still retain a quasi DD status competing with whatever I buy for a second vehicle. If I start making multiple trips up north a year or out to MOAB or Flat Nasty I'll upgrade if I need to. Right now a 1/2 ton will do fine. Yes my commute is 1 mile but so far today I've driven 10 because I support a factory that is not attached to a building I work in so I can't bike. I wish I could.

I don't need a 3/4 or 1ton dualie because that would be overcompensating for something.
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yea no shit. I think PP became the spokesman for every Dodge Diesel on GL4x4.

I have a DD now, its an XJ. For the time being and till sometime in the future it will still retain a quasi DD status competing with whatever I buy for a second vehicle. If I start making multiple trips up north a year or out to MOAB or Flat Nasty I'll upgrade if I need to. Right now a 1/2 ton will do fine. Yes my commute is 1 mile but so far today I've driven 10 because I support a factory that is not attached to a building I work in so I can't bike. I wish I could.

I don't need a 3/4 or 1ton dualie because that would be overcompensating for something.
He is right about something though, you should buy my truck,.
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He is right about something though, you should buy my truck,.
If I wanted a truck like yours, I'd go get one new. I have an employee discount for GM because Rockwell Collins did work on/for Onstar. I just don't like that model truck. Sorry Roktoy.
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Old November 11th, 2008, 06:32 PM   #33
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I drive this for my one mile commute . . .



It gets 30 mpg and is dead reliable.

I drive my Cummins for everything else. hehe. If you are only commuting 1 mile, I can't see driving something that you care about. Diesel or gas, it's not particularly good for them.
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that would be a great idea, as now that I am not towing the jeep I dont even need a half ton and plan on downsizing.

I could always buy your suburban or your dodge, I mean why not pay 3500 for something I dont need (like a dually diesel) when i could pay more for a nicer vehicle equipped for my needs?
Depends on what you are buying the vehicle for. He says he wants a tow rig, yet he doesn't want to buy something that is better equipped for is alleged needs.

Your post makes less sense to me than it would to other people since you already told me what your shopping for. An old SUV with a removable top (like you said would be a candidates) better fits your "$3500" scenario than it does the "nicer vehicle equipped for your needs" scenario.

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yea no shit. I think PP became the spokesman for every Dodge Diesel on GL4x4.

I have a DD now, its an XJ. For the time being and till sometime in the future it will still retain a quasi DD status competing with whatever I buy for a second vehicle. If I start making multiple trips up north a year or out to MOAB or Flat Nasty I'll upgrade if I need to. Right now a 1/2 ton will do fine. Yes my commute is 1 mile but so far today I've driven 10 because I support a factory that is not attached to a building I work in so I can't bike. I wish I could.

I don't need a 3/4 or 1ton dualie because that would be overcompensating for something.
Maybe you should consider it in order to overcompensate for the lack of sense, perhaps? This thread never had anything to do with wanting a tow rig. You're just telling yourself that the nicer vehicle you want to buy to drive around in will be your "tow rig" in order to better justify buying it - like employing a Jedi Mind Trick on yourself. If your vehicles end up "competing" because one of them has not been retired to "toy" status, then you've bought the wrong vehicle for your "tow rig" job.
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Depends on what you are buying the vehicle for. He says he wants a tow rig, yet he doesn't want to buy something that is better equipped for is alleged needs.
So wait, I don't get your logic. A 9100lb tow rating on a 1/2 ton can't tow a 3500lb XJ? Besides why do I need something that can tow 16,000lbs when I can get away with 9,100lbs. I can think of quite a few people that are doing this with tube buggies and other weekend wheelers.

Your post makes less sense to me than it would to other people since you already told me what your shopping for. An old SUV with a removable top (like you said would be a candidates) better fits your "$3500" scenario than it does the "nicer vehicle equipped for your needs" scenario.
No, I'm looking for a 1/2 ton truck which I can drive back and forth to work and tow a XJ to Michigan or maybe a pop-up camper.


Maybe you should consider it in order to overcompensate for the lack of sense, perhaps? This thread never had anything to do with wanting a tow rig. You're just telling yourself that the nicer vehicle you want to buy to drive around in will be your "tow rig" in order to better justify buying it - like employing a Jedi Mind Trick on yourself. If your vehicles end up "competing" because one of them has not been retired to "toy" status, then you've bought the wrong vehicle for your "tow rig" job.
You're right, the XJ is not at "toy" status yet, but it has left me stranded enough times in the last year that I can't do my job correctly without a fully functioning vehicle. However with a "tow vehicle" I can use it to tow around the malfunctioning XJ if it breaks down, and I can actually do things like Turtle Ridge, the Badlands, Flat Nasty and Moab with a little less fear that I won't be able to make it to work on Monday. Besides I have perfect sense, if I went by your sense I would be considering either a dualie, a H1 or a old flatbed wrecker because by your definition they all have the payload capacity and or the ability to be a dedicated tow rig.

I mean its not like we all wheel a V10 truck that needs to be babied to the trails and back. There are those among us who still have small "toys".
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trying to justify your opinion to pud pounder will never happen, he thinks with a weird and twisted logic that in 8 years I've never been able to understand, just shake your head, laugh, hand him a beer and walk away....its the only thing that works
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trying to justify your opinion to pud pounder will never happen, he thinks with a weird and twisted logic that in 8 years I've never been able to understand, just shake your head, laugh, hand him a beer and walk away....its the only thing that works
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You're right, the XJ is not at "toy" status yet, but it has left me stranded enough times in the last year that I can't do my job correctly without a fully functioning vehicle. However with a "tow vehicle" I can use it to tow around the malfunctioning XJ if it breaks down, and I can actually do things like Turtle Ridge, the Badlands, Flat Nasty and Moab with a little less fear that I won't be able to make it to work on Monday. Besides I have perfect sense, if I went by your sense I would be considering either a dualie, a H1 or a old flatbed wrecker because by your definition they all have the payload capacity and or the ability to be a dedicated tow rig.
And that's exactly why I said this thread is not about a "tow rig". You never wanted a "tow rig" at all.

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I mean its not like we all wheel a V10 truck that needs to be babied to the trails and back.
Yeah, "we" don't. My Ram drives to wherever its going. In fact, the only time its ever been on a trailer was when I had a unit bearing lock up on I-75 about 6 years ago. That truck has somewhere around 175k on it.

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Yes, we do. Perhaps you also forgot or just didn't know that I also have an XJ.

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Like I said, the more you post... The Suburban is a purpose-purchased vehicle that does everything its supposed to do, is dirt cheap to insure/register, and I only have about $5k into it total. It doesn't even do as bad on gas as I thought it would when I got it considering how tired it is. The funny part is that I think you are posting about it because you think you are making some kind of "half-ton" point when that truck has a 4.56'd D60/14bFF combo with the weight and wheelbase in the 3/4 and 1-ton range. Except for the lack of a diesel drivetrain (which I almost had solved when Twodollars was selling his), it fits the strategy I'm "promoting" perfectly. When I'm not needing to pull anything around or haul anything large, it stays parked and I drop the insurance to Comprehensive only.

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I agree with PP. Once you drove a Cummins a bit, you would understand. It has nothing to do with compensating for anything, you would be smart enough to realize that you have a much better engine than most anything else out there. Why wouldn't you? It's not that it is the only thing to tow with, but after doing so, you won't want to tow with anything else. Just ask Brimy how his Flatnasty trip went last year.

One mile isn't going to make much of a difference on your engine. Many people drive them short distances without problem, and just one mile might be better on it than the three to six mile commutes.

Like I said before, I probably wouldn't own a truck unless it was a diesel. Hell, I bought a diesel car after my Cummins and have been considering diesel swaps in other vehicles, including my wheeler. I would be happy if I drove nothing but diesels. It is a more efficient engine design, and even with the prices the way they are, much of the time it is still cheaper than a comparable gasser to DD, and mostly always cheaper when towing.
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I forgot to address your comment about ratings. The OEM's find every excuse possible to inflate those numbers. I've trailered the Ram's rated limit across a couple states and it was far from an ideal experience.

You're not even talking about trailering, so look more at the flat-towed XJ's weight vs. the weight & wheelbase of the half-ton truck and what effect that weight is going to have on a suspension primarily designed for comfort. Your XJ is only going to get heavier and switching to a trailer later will add another 1500-1750lbs.
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