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Old November 10th, 2008, 01:04 PM   #1
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I'm thinking about getting a new deer rifle next year and can't make up my mind. Might do a bear hunt occasionally, maybe an elk hunt sometime if I can ever afford to go. So what do you think .308 or .30-06?
I currently have a remington 7400 .30-06 but I want to get a bolt action
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Old November 10th, 2008, 01:10 PM   #2
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i would go 270 wsm, 7wsm, or 300wsm. i am a huge fan of all the short mags. you have a shorter action so you get a lighter rifle that is also shorter. you also get faster follow up shots. there is nothing wrong with a 308 or a 30 06 but they are both old technology that has been out done. but if you are stuck on those 2 cartriges i would go with the 06 it is a faster bullet. better for elk. i own 2 300 wsm's and i absolutely love them
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I have always been a big fan of the .30-06, I have a remington model 700 BDL chambered in .30-06, and it has never let me down.

I may be wrong, but I believe the heaviest bullet you can get for a .308 is 180 grain, where with a .30-06 you can step up to a 220 grain bullet for larger game.

We were up doing some target shooting two weekends ago at my cabin, and my buddy was placing his shots in a pretty good group at 400 yards with his Remington 700 using 165 grain ballistic tip federals (which are the same rounds that I hunt with). It is hard to beat the .30-06 for an all around great hunting rifle in North America...my dad has used his for Moose, bear, and deer...so for this area, it is the perfect round IMO.
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I have always been a big fan of the .30-06, I have a remington model 700 BDL chambered in .30-06, and it has never let me down.

I may be wrong, but I believe the heaviest bullet you can get for a .308 is 180 grain, where with a .30-06 you can step up to a 220 grain bullet for larger game.

We were up doing some target shooting two weekends ago at my cabin, and my buddy was placing his shots in a pretty good group at 400 yards with his Remington 700 using 165 grain ballistic tip federals (which are the same rounds that I hunt with). It is hard to beat the .30-06 for an all around great hunting rifle in North America...my dad has used his for Moose, bear, and deer...so for this area, it is the perfect round IMO.

bullet weight isnt everything. i would be more concerned with velocity than weight. the reason you cant get a 308 with 220 grain heads is it would be so slow you could catch it in your teeth. 180 grain is more than enough to knock the shit out of north american big game. last year i shot my elk with 165 grain nosler accubonds. i took a brisket shot (which you arent supposed to take on an elk) and from the point when it dug its hoofs in when i hit it and where it layed was 20 yards. and it was on a dead run. if you plan on elk or any large game go with the 300 wsm. it may be a little overkill for dear but it isnt bad. i would get the remington 700 also. i dont know where you live but you are welcome to come shoot one if you are in the neighborhood. i am just north of grand rapids.
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Old November 10th, 2008, 03:11 PM   #6
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Old November 10th, 2008, 03:37 PM   #7
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get a 308. the availability of ammo, number of rifles chambered in it, and its track record in the field, on the battlefield, and on the range speaks for its self. the short mags are a fad, in 10 years people will be shooting 308 and no one will remember the shorties. p.s., you can get most cartridges in a short action.
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bullet weight isnt everything. i would be more concerned with velocity than weight. the reason you cant get a 308 with 220 grain heads is it would be so slow you could catch it in your teeth. 180 grain is more than enough to knock the shit out of north american big game. last year i shot my elk with 165 grain nosler accubonds. i took a brisket shot (which you arent supposed to take on an elk) and from the point when it dug its hoofs in when i hit it and where it layed was 20 yards. and it was on a dead run. if you plan on elk or any large game go with the 300 wsm. it may be a little overkill for dear but it isnt bad. i would get the remington 700 also. i dont know where you live but you are welcome to come shoot one if you are in the neighborhood. i am just north of grand rapids.
I agree 100%, I guess I didn't state my thoughts very clearly. I was just saying it is nice to be able to step up to a heavier bullet if wanted, instead of being limited to 180 grains.

99% of the time when I'm out in the woods hunting, I have my .243 with me...and I shoot 70 grain ballistic tip bullets. Yeah, they are a little on the light side for white tail, but they are so damn fast that they do a ton of damage. I dropped a buck in his tracks last year at 350 yards with one shot...he didnt move an inch. In all honesty, the .243 is my favorite round on the market. Very fast, flat shooting, fairly cheap ammo compared to most other larger cal. rounds, very little recoil, and plenty of power for most game in the area (unless you are talking about moose or elk), but the OP already stated that he had a .30-06...so a .243 may be another option worth looking into.
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I agree 100%, I guess I didn't state my thoughts very clearly. I was just saying it is nice to be able to step up to a heavier bullet if wanted, instead of being limited to 180 grains.

99% of the time when I'm out in the woods hunting, I have my .243 with me...and I shoot 70 grain ballistic tip bullets. Yeah, they are a little on the light side for white tail, but they are so damn fast that they do a ton of damage. I dropped a buck in his tracks last year at 350 yards with one shot...he didnt move an inch. In all honesty, the .243 is my favorite round on the market. Very fast, flat shooting, fairly cheap ammo compared to most other larger cal. rounds, very little recoil, and plenty of power for most game in the area (unless you are talking about moose or elk), but the OP already stated that he had a .30-06...so a .243 may be another option worth looking into.
whats wrong with being limited to under 180 grains? .243 is a great bullet, perfect for yotes, whitetail and chucks/hogs.
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lol, I guess there is nothing wrong with it...I just like a round that will give me the most options. That is why I went with the .243 over a .223 or a .22-250.
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I know you can go to the Remington website and compare ballistics between different calibers and grains. It will give you the velocity, energy, short range as well as long range trajectory.

http://www.remington.com/products/am...on/ballistics/
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get a 308. the availability of ammo, number of rifles chambered in it, and its track record in the field, on the battlefield, and on the range speaks for its self. the short mags are a fad, in 10 years people will be shooting 308 and no one will remember the shorties. p.s., you can get most cartridges in a short action.
that is great and all steveo that they are great on the battlefield people weigh 150 lbs. but for someone that is looking to possible elk hunt with it, it is too small. go check the energy charts for a 308, they suck ass. and availability of ammo? the 30 .06 came out in i believe 1904 and has been a great all around cartridge for a long time. there is more ammo out for an .06. and that is also a tried and true military cartridge. they both shoot .308 heads one just holds more powder (more velocity which also means more energy). and for the short mags if you did a little bit of research you would see you get alot of gains with little downfalls. the only downfall is they have worse barrel life, but in a hunting rifle that isnt an issue. both of mine shoot sub 1/2 moa and i get more velocity with less powder than a standard long action cartridge. also a lighter gun. i can put a longer barrel on a short action for the same length so it is more accurate and higher velocity. all the powder is closer to the primer so you you have a more instantanious ignition making it more efficient. and with approx. an inch to an inch and a half less action to work you can have a faster follow up shot.
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chad, you throw out a lot of fancy talk but i think your full of shit. 308 is THE most popular target/hunting round by far. there are more kinds of pre loaded ammo for the 308 than the 06. the 06 is a fine cartridge, never said it wasn't.
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Up grade to a .338 win MAG.
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Perfect for squirrels and rabbits.
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first off the 06 has been a tried and true round for over 100 yrs . There really isn't much trade off between the two.Seeing you have a 06 aready I would sugest another round that is flater shooting and another true and tried round that would be a 7mm it's been battlefeild tested and a proven hunting round
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first off the 06 has been a tried and true round for over 100 yrs . There really isn't much trade off between the two.Seeing you have a 06 aready I would sugest another round that is flater shooting and another true and tried round that would be a 7mm it's been battlefeild tested and a proven hunting round
7mm mag? excellent round, my personal favorite.
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chad, you throw out a lot of fancy talk but i think your full of shit. 308 is THE most popular target/hunting round by far. there are more kinds of pre loaded ammo for the 308 than the 06. the 06 is a fine cartridge, never said it wasn't.
fancy talk?!?! and what am i full of shit about? name one thing in what i wrote that is not true. do a little research and learn a little before you open your mouth.
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fancy talk?!?! and what am i full of shit about? name one thing in what i wrote that is not true. do a little research and learn a little before you open your mouth.
go play with your "sniper rifle" boy.
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