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Old November 6th, 2008, 09:14 AM   #1
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War Facts

At least half is true according to Snopes...



There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq .






When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, tell them the following:






FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year.






Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea . North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.



John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.



Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year.



Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

This one is a fact that makes me mad as hell.


In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. And the Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

But Wait, There's more.



It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT) to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.



We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT) to find the Rose law firm billing records.





It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida !!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.

But Wait ...There's more!

JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.



This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):

'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): 'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me, as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men ... with their mangled bodies ... in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!



You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee ... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DAD'S didn't hold a job.



You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery , where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about Metzenbaum? For those who don't remember During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA .

Now he's a Senator!
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Old November 6th, 2008, 09:46 AM   #2
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you are right, that conversation makes me mad as hell
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:10 AM   #3
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At least half is true according to Snopes...




Since you brought up Snopes, can you elaborate and tell us what parts are and are not true?

Funny, you post something with a title using the words "Facts", then you preface the post admitting that near half of the "Facts" are not "facts" at all, but you will not take the time to weed out the untrue and make your post factual.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #4
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Since you brought up Snopes, can you elaborate and tell us what parts are and are not true?

Funny, you post something with a title using the words "Facts", then you preface the post admitting that near half of the "Facts" are not "facts" at all, but you will not take the time to weed out the untrue and make your post factual.
What he was saying was that half were backed up by Snopes. That doesn't state that the rest is not fact but that the other half just happens not to be on Snopes. Not every fact under the sun is on Snopes.
Did you take reading comprehension in school?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:32 AM   #5
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Did you take reading comprehension in school?


Yes, did you?

I was asking him to elaborate on what he found on Snopes, since, as he stated, Snopes had rulings on part of his post.

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Not every fact under the sun is on Snopes.
And not everything that is not listed on Snopes is a fact.

I read the Snopes article. The exchange between senators is appearantly true and did take place. It is the rest of the items that were not covered. This is the information I was looking for.


So, GM posted an article, implying "facts". A preface was made stating that not all "facts" are verified. The reader is left to determine what part of the post is verified fact, and which part is not.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:33 AM   #6
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What he was saying was that half were backed up by Snopes. That doesn't state that the rest is not fact but that the other half just happens not to be on Snopes. Not every fact under the sun is on Snopes.
Did you take reading comprehension in school?
lmao nice
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:37 AM   #7
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The part about John Glenn arguing with the other Senator is true, everything else I could find no information on it, but they are probably widely published facts.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:42 AM   #8
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Since this post is about war facts. Let us all do a little research and clear up any misunderstandings. I will start.

It is true that Germany did not attack the U.S. to start American involvement in the European theater. What happened was the following:

Dec. 7, 1941 - Japan attacks Pearl Harbor. (not the US proper, but an American Naval Base) This attack is followed by a declaration of war from the Japanese government to the American government.

Dec. 8, 1941 - FDR asks Congress to declare war on Japan.

Dec. 11, 1941 - Germany and Italy declare war on the U.S. America has no choice but to fight.

So, even though FDR was a Democrat, using this as a correlation for other wars that were ill concieved, well, I just do not see it.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #9
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The part about John Glenn arguing with the other Senator is true, everything else I could find no information on it, but they are probably widely published facts.


This is the response I was looking for

I noticed spin in the posting, that is why I was pushing. That is also why I posted what I did above. Oh, my source was PBS.org since they had a helpful format for finding dates on a timeline.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #10
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #11
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Since this post is about war facts. Let us all do a little research and clear up any misunderstandings. I will start.

It is true that Germany did not attack the U.S. to start American involvement in the European theater. What happened was the following:

Dec. 7, 1941 - Japan attacks Pearl Harbor. (not the US proper, but an American Naval Base) This attack is followed by a declaration of war from the Japanese government to the American government.

Dec. 8, 1941 - FDR asks Congress to declare war on Japan.

Dec. 11, 1941 - Germany and Italy declare war on the U.S. America has no choice but to fight.

So, even though FDR was a Democrat, using this as a correlation for other wars that were ill concieved, well, I just do not see it.
He also was lending money and military goods to the Allied forces before we were ever involved. Not that I agree, but that could easily be considered leading us into war.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 11:04 AM   #12
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Since this post is about war facts. Let us all do a little research and clear up any misunderstandings. I will start.

It is true that Germany did not attack the U.S. to start American involvement in the European theater. What happened was the following:

Dec. 7, 1941 - Japan attacks Pearl Harbor. (not the US proper, but an American Naval Base) This attack is followed by a declaration of war from the Japanese government to the American government.

Dec. 8, 1941 - FDR asks Congress to declare war on Japan.

Dec. 11, 1941 - Germany and Italy declare war on the U.S. America has no choice but to fight.
Germany was in no position to mount an invasion of England, a short jaunt across the pond - let alone to mount one against the US. Their declaration of war was in retaliation for the not even remotely quiet support we were giving Great Britain, and to serve notice on the US that hiding supplies in passenger cargo ships would not nullify them as a U-Boat target.

While the war atrocities committed by my German ancestors were horrific, and Europe needed our help in the very noble effort of liberation - The US did not need to enter the war on both fronts at that point in time, based simply on Germany/Italy's declaration. On the Eastern side, it could have just as easily limited its efforts to naval operations and the hunt/elimination of Germany's Naval efforts as well.

There is no doubt spin in the original posting, with that I will agree. FDR was a great president in my opinion, regardless of his party affiliation, and very heavy socialistic program implementation.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 11:05 AM   #13
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He also was lending money and military goods to the Allied forces before we were ever involved. Not that I agree, but that could easily be considered leading us into war.
no shit. russia and britian would have starved to death if not for the billions of dollars worth of lend lease goods. look up lend lease and read about it. we basically gave Russia a war machine to fight with, same with England. the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
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no shit. russia and britian would have starved to death if not for the billions of dollars worth of lend lease goods. look up lend lease and read about it. we basically gave Russia a war machine to fight with, same with England. the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
I said I agreed with what we did, I would have made the same decision. I do not agree on how the fact sheet shows us as leading ourselves into the war.

I know about the history of the war.
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I said I agreed with what we did, I would have made the same decision. I do not agree on how the fact sheet shows us as leading ourselves into the war.

I know about the history of the war.
lend lease was a great idea. we gave russia the equipment, we got dead nazi's in exchange. this saved a lot of American lives.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 11:39 AM   #16
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lend lease was a great idea. we gave russia the equipment, we got dead nazi's in exchange. this saved a lot of American lives.
Dude...I'm not arguing with you. I agree with you. Why are you still pressing this?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 01:00 PM   #17
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no shit. russia and britian would have starved to death if not for the billions of dollars worth of lend lease goods. look up lend lease and read about it. we basically gave Russia a war machine to fight with, same with England. the friend of my enemy is my enemy.
I realize that the actual words you typed here make sense, but considering the rest of your post....did you mean to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
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Old November 6th, 2008, 02:11 PM   #18
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Pete went to school before reading was invented.

Great post GM. I believe 200 % of it.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 04:23 PM   #19
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I realize that the actual words you typed here make sense, but considering the rest of your post....did you mean to say "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
no, i meant what i said. anyone who is friends with my enemy is also an enemy.

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Dude...I'm not arguing with you. I agree with you. Why are you still pressing this?
i am not arguing with you either. i was stating a fact.
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i am not arguing with you either. i was stating a fact.
My bad. It just felt like you kept pressing it like it wasn't getting through my thick skull.
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