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Old November 6th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #21
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I have always thought pot should be legal. turn the drug dealers into entrepeneurs, tax the sales and there would be a shit load of revenue from it.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #22
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why isnt it legal? a number of reasons. one of the main one is pharmaceutical lobbyists with loads of money fighting to keep it illegal. who would take Motrin if you could use pot instead. legal pot would be nice, it would make it easy to get, cutting out the drug dealers. plus people would no longer be persecuted in the workplace for smoking pot. how fucked is it that i have to be drug free to work for a company, but a lazy ass "insert racial slur here" can smoke dope and collect welfare?
Classic. I have to write a report tonight on dumb ass conspiracy theories about pharmaceutical industries and price-setting. I think I''m going to quote you (literally).

Here's a little on the real topic: Pharmaceuticals try to use observations from "natural" effects to develop medicines.

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French drugmaker Sanofi-Aventis said Wednesday it is halting all research on a diet drug sold in Europe, Acomplia, and rival Pfizer Inc. hours later said it is ending research on an experimental weight-loss drug in the same class.

Both drugs work by blocking the pleasure centers that give marijuana smokers the "munchies" _ the cannabinoid type 1, or CB1, receptors.
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Some researchers predicted that once Acomplia got approval for weight loss or smoking cessation, research would ramp up in those other areas. But that early promise didn't materialize, it didn't win approval for smoking cessation and problems began piling up as psychiatric side effects _ now a huge red flag for regulators _ emerged in various studies of Acomplia as a diet drug.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 04:26 PM   #23
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I have always thought pot should be legal. turn the drug dealers into entrepeneurs, tax the sales and there would be a shit load of revenue from it.
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People think it's bad because it's illegal, but alcohol is ok because it's legal. How often do you hear about pot ruining lives and seperating families?

Another arguement is that it's a gateway drug. Yeah, when you get it from an illegal dealer who hands you a bag of pot and shows you a bag of shrooms and a container of ecsesty....that's a gateway. If you could get it from a legit market that doesn't try to sell you, or tempt you, with more drugs I think it would take away the "gateway" effect.
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fucking stoners.

I have a friend who grows it in Kaliphornya. The state gives the recipient cultivation permits. They in turn give them to Ben. He grow the plants and harvests it for the recipient. Each guy has his own plants and they are permit labeled. He says the Sheriff looks in on him regularly.
He had to quit his regular job so he could do it full time.
The funny part is he quit getting high long ago, he just has a knack for the cultivation end.

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Old November 6th, 2008, 04:33 PM   #25
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People think it's bad because it's illegal, but alcohol is ok because it's legal. How often do you hear about pot ruining lives and seperating families?
I can think of one family member (an uncle on my mom's side) as well as a former girlfriend that got a bit too obsessed with pot, and it significantly impacted their life/future. And yes, it was an influence in my uncle's divorce.

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I can think of one family member (an uncle on my mom's side) as well as a former girlfriend that got a bit too obsessed with pot, and it significantly impacted their life/future. And yes, it was an influence in my uncle's divorce.

*Shrug*
Don't hang out with such stoners man. I know what you mean, but it seems that alcohol has a much stronger effect, and more serious consequences. I know Pot can be bad, but it seems like alcohol-induced confrontations usually end in physical harm of some sort.
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Don't hang out with such stoners man. I know what you mean, but it seems that alcohol has a much stronger effect, and more serious consequences. I know Pot can be bad, but it seems like alcohol-induced confrontations usually end in physical harm of some sort.

I've heard/seen that argument several times. I honestly never took a puff on a any type of cigarette as I saw what it did as a contributory factor in my Grandfather's simultaneous battle with pancreatic and lung cancer.

I also had morphine when I was a freshman in highschool after a surgical amputation, which was sufficient to scare me away from experimenting with recreational mind altering substances.

In my younger years, did have my share of alcohol abuse in semi-controlled environments, but honestly don't remember having a single beer since last year's UofM home coming game vs. Penn State.

I guess much like some people can walk away from a substance after 50+ years of use, some people are crippled by addictions after only a short time with it.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 09:07 PM   #28
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A coworker dedicated his life to smoking weed, and eventually became an extreme bi-polar headcase. He disappeared.
Another long-term pot user that I know no longer leaves his house, because of the increasing panic attacks. I tried telling the guy to lay-off the weed, but his response has always been "I'll stop on Mondays".
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:42 PM   #29
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Another arguement is that it's a gateway drug. Yeah, when you get it from an illegal dealer who hands you a bag of pot and shows you a bag of shrooms and a container of ecsesty....that's a gateway. If you could get it from a legit market that doesn't try to sell you, or tempt you, with more drugs I think it would take away the "gateway" effect.
Yes, I agree with that.

Pot is a gateway to other illegal drugs only because it is illegal. What I remember thinking when I was a young man considering doing drugs was that I was taught "illegal drugs = bad things will happen" so I didn't do them. Then eventually the peer pressure got the best of me and I smoked some pot. Nothing bad happened and I kinda liked it. That got me thinking "hummmm, I wonder what all those other illegal drugs are like". Thankfully after trying a few things I decided that it wasn't for me, that if I did those drugs I would not end up leading the type of life I wanted.

But once you cross the "illegal drug" line it made it easier to do other illegal drugs.
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Old November 6th, 2008, 10:48 PM   #30
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People think it's bad because it's illegal, but alcohol is ok because it's legal. How often do you hear about pot ruining lives and seperating families?

Another arguement is that it's a gateway drug. Yeah, when you get it from an illegal dealer who hands you a bag of pot and shows you a bag of shrooms and a container of ecsesty....that's a gateway. If you could get it from a legit market that doesn't try to sell you, or tempt you, with more drugs I think it would take away the "gateway" effect.
just about everyone I have ever known used pot recreationally and never tried another drug. but everyone is different. if people are going to use is as a gateway drug they would do that whether it is illegal or not.

for me I have never tried any illegal substance, never even taken a hit off a joint. I just never had any interest in it.
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Old November 7th, 2008, 06:44 AM   #31
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A coworker dedicated his life to smoking weed, and eventually became an extreme bi-polar headcase. He disappeared.
Another long-term pot user that I know no longer leaves his house, because of the increasing panic attacks. I tried telling the guy to lay-off the weed, but his response has always been "I'll stop on Mondays".

A buddy of mine is on that path. I don't think if it were alcohol it would be any different.

Things should not be illegal just because a few people might abuse them.

If that was the case we could probably add the following to the list of things that are illegal:

Vehicles
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A buddy of mine is on that path. I don't think if it were alcohol it would be any different.

Things should not be illegal just because a few people might abuse them.

If that was the case we could probably add the following to the list of things that are illegal:

Vehicles
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Guns
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Alcohol
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it's on its way. be patient
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After we get weed legal for everyone, I want to force Mom to start wiping me bum again. I don't want to grow up. Got to go, video games are calling me!
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Old November 7th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #34
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After we get weed legal for everyone, I want to force Mom to start wiping me bum again. I don't want to grow up. Got to go, video games are calling me!
you gonna start reading fairy tales too?
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After we get weed legal for everyone, I want to force Mom to start wiping me bum again. I don't want to grow up. Got to go, video games are calling me!
Good. Why should the govenment have to wipe your bum just because your Mom didn't whip you bum for being stupid?
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Yes, I agree with that.

Pot is a gateway to other illegal drugs only because it is illegal. What I remember thinking when I was a young man considering doing drugs was that I was taught "illegal drugs = bad things will happen" so I didn't do them. Then eventually the peer pressure got the best of me and I smoked some pot. Nothing bad happened and I kinda liked it. That got me thinking "hummmm, I wonder what all those other illegal drugs are like". Thankfully after trying a few things I decided that it wasn't for me, that if I did those drugs I would not end up leading the type of life I wanted.

But once you cross the "illegal drug" line it made it easier to do other illegal drugs.

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The biggist problem I've had from smoking pot over the years is weight gain
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