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Old November 5th, 2008, 11:49 AM   #21
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it was mostly just another topic to discuss.
a more entertaining topic would be for you to sit down with her and have a really in depth conversation about just how stupid you think her beliefs are. even better if you have this discussion in the presence of her family.

stating that you think they're 'stupid' somehow does not convey the same type of respect that I have inferred PeteC has for his wife, even though he may disagree with some/all of her faithbased beliefs.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 12:30 PM   #22
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Pete C, do you think it's stupid when your wife gives 10% of her income to the church?

P.S. she thinks me messing around with samurai's is stupid, but she understands that I enjoy it and it makes me happy. I think her giving 10% is stupid, but it makes her happy... what's the problem?

i just like to start a discussion with an example from close to home.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 01:00 PM   #23
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samurais?

little action figures? or real life Japanese Samurai's? or tiny tinfoil quasi off road vehicles?

I am somewhat interested in what PeteC will respond, if at all. I have gathered that he has quite a bit of respect for his wife, as well as respect in her devoutness to her faith which he does not share. So while I don't doubt he disagrees with her in that regard, I do wonder if he considers it "stupid" per se'.

*shrug*
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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:07 PM   #24
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10% is just a guide to go by. I myself like to get into a giving contest with the Lord of Lords . . . he usually wins.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:25 PM   #25
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I am not sure what my wife donates to her Kingdom Hall from her own wages, but none of my money goes there. It is an agreement we have.

She does volunteer a lot though, maybe that is how she donates.

To be perfectly honest, if 10% of my wages were going to her Kingdom Hall, I doubt we would still be together.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 02:56 PM   #26
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I am always interested in how people approach a marriage/partnership when there are diametrically opposed financial interests, regardless of any major spiritual chasms.

Some folks here spend significantly more than 10% on their hobbies - hobbies they may not at all share with their spouse - hobbies that most secular people would also think of as "sinking funds" - that is money going out with no realistic significant residual financial value afterward. ( think Kelly's YJ for the sake of argument )

The whole concept of "my money vs her money" is one that is foreign to me I guess. While my wife and I maintain separate accounts, (they're linked, and easily cross transferable via the Credit Union's phone/Web-banking services) the practical reason is for me to insure that the necessary mandatory bills are paid timely, without burdening her with the stress/hassles of bill paying.

No, we don't always agree on where the discretionary funds are spent either, but thankfully we always reach a compromise and do not have any disagreements that either of us are so militant about.



(no, it has not always been so even keeled)
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Old November 5th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #27
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I suppose for us our money will be similarly linked except for extra money, like for recreation/church. I'll use my half for recreation, she can use hers for church. seems fair.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 06:07 PM   #28
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We have never had separate accounts and we pretty much share all of our hobbies.

Our agreement was not come to easily, but we are approaching 30 years of marriage and have long ago decided that our love for each other is more important than most every other issue. That is about as simply as I can put things.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 06:20 PM   #29
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I suppose for us our money will be similarly linked except for extra money, like for recreation/church. I'll use my half for recreation, she can use hers for church. seems fair.
Really whats the difference? You spend 5K on your rig and she spends 5K on church. No different than if she shopped with it.

Personally if Casey sent 10% of our (there is no hers or mine) money to our church I would be very pissed.

Why does the church need a set amount? Why do you need to give them money? We do give money to our church, but only what we can and they always are the first to remind us that church is free.

I would rather see her or both of us donate time to the church. This year we plan on helping out with their Christmas for children with parents in prison. To me that means more than just giving $$. I'm not saying she is wrong, but I never really understood the church $$ thing.



PETE YOU ARE A LIAR. we all know you dont have any money. JoAnn is the only one with any money at your house.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:20 PM   #30
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Really whats the difference? You spend 5K on your rig and she spends 5K on church. No different than if she shopped with it.

Personally if Casey sent 10% of our (there is no hers or mine) money to our church I would be very pissed.

Why does the church need a set amount? Why do you need to give them money? We do give money to our church, but only what we can and they always are the first to remind us that church is free.

I would rather see her or both of us donate time to the church. This year we plan on helping out with their Christmas for children with parents in prison. To me that means more than just giving $$. I'm not saying she is wrong, but I never really understood the church $$ thing.



PETE YOU ARE A LIAR. we all know you dont have any money. JoAnn is the only one with any money at your house.
That's part of the thing that I think is stupid, the set amount. I mean yeah, you go to church, it's like going to a movie or something, put in 5$ and call it good... but 10% of your income...that's some major scrilla. The donating time thing I could agree with. I would even pitch in, if it meant she wasn't donating the 10%
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #31
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It's not a set amount I would explain it but it would do you some good to search in the BIBLE for it
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #32
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It's not a set amount I would explain it but it would do you some good to search in the BIBLE for it
Do you think she read in the bible what to give, or listen to the church people... I could show her bible verses til the cows come home, she's still gonna give 10% because thats what she thinks she's supposed to do.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:28 PM   #33
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For us it depends on what we can afford. I would probably give more if we were not down to one income and a 4 month old baby.

Personally I like to give, whether it is time or money, to help others. We arent loaded but we have a home I have a job and we are healthy.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:31 PM   #34
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Well, if you listen to Dave Ramsey, your tithing comes out of your gross. I don't remember the amount he suggests, but I want to say it's 15%? We give what we can, but we don't attend church like we should even though we are members. Like Nick, we do what we can, how we can because it makes us feel good.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #35
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Really whats the difference? You spend 5K on your rig and she spends 5K on church. No different than if she shopped with it.

Personally if Casey sent 10% of our (there is no hers or mine) money to our church I would be very pissed.

Why does the church need a set amount? Why do you need to give them money? We do give money to our church, but only what we can and they always are the first to remind us that church is free.

I would rather see her or both of us donate time to the church. This year we plan on helping out with their Christmas for children with parents in prison. To me that means more than just giving $$. I'm not saying she is wrong, but I never really understood the church $$ thing.



PETE YOU ARE A LIAR. we all know you dont have any money. JoAnn is the only one with any money at your house.
Yea, I have no money
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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #36
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Yea, I have no money

cuz you called God, threw it up in the air, and this time he kept it.....



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Old November 5th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #37
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thats alright. Neither do I.

I have a wife and kid.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 08:20 PM   #38
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cuz you called God, threw it up in the air, and this time he kept it.....



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thats alright. Neither do I.

I have a wife and kid.

When are we all moving in together? Not your place though, not enough room and only one bathroom.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 08:22 PM   #39
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yeah but my bathroom works.

I get the women you get the old people and dogs.
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Old November 5th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #40
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Well, if you listen to Dave Ramsey, your tithing comes out of your gross.
With all due respect to Mr. Ramsey that position isn't supported by sound new testament teaching. Mr. Ramsey's company does extensive business with churches, so it's no surprise that he supports tithing.

Tithing was part of the old testament law and was never about 10% of ones gross income.

The new testament teaches that it's important to be generous with your abundance and give as you feel lead to give.

Christians are under absolutely no mandate to give a particular fixed amount. That's total nonsense and isn't supported in scripture.
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