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Old November 3rd, 2008, 08:54 PM   #1
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Medical Marijuana, yes or no




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Old November 3rd, 2008, 08:56 PM   #2
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no it takes jobs from pot dealers and we need all the jobs we got right now
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:03 PM   #3
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no it takes jobs from pot dealers and we need all the jobs we got right now
Tax free jobs!!!
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:10 PM   #4
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I cant help but think that this will get passed due to the expected incressed voter turn out for obama.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:18 PM   #5
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I read the proposal and made up my mind as soon as I read that the Dept. of Community Health is responsible for managing the whole registration card process. There is no way that this will be an effective plan that won't cost the state more money. I've worked in Community Health and was appaled at how much waste there is to "ensure that quality care is provided in an efficient manner."

I can see it now, "I'm waiting for my registration card. You can't arrest me...."


Whatever. If this is such a necessary medical treatment, why not legalize it and let pharmacies handle it with a prescription? I understand the idea, but I don't think that having a government agency be responsible for the issuing of cards is going to be an easy process effectively covered by the cost of the application fee.

Not to mention the policing of the matter. The whole "registered care taker or user" thing is interesting. So what happens if the "secure area" that they define as a "bedroom" is the room of someone not a registered care taker or user? You have met the criteria for growing it, but what if the "registered" person is out of the house? Just what our courts need, more cases to hear.


Nah, not working for me. Sorry.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:27 PM   #6
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...I've worked in Community Health and was appaled at how much waste there is to "ensure that quality care is provided in an efficient manner."
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typical government. Prepare for health care to be mishandled in the same way.

If pot was legal, I wouldnt vote to outlaw it. It is not legal, and theres no reason to make it legal.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:42 PM   #7
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If pot was legal, I wouldnt vote to outlaw it. It is not legal, and theres no reason to make it legal.
Really? How about other drugs people are prescribed for pain and sickness? They aren't legal to have without a prescription. How is it any different?

Don't tell me because the government says so. They make smoking illegal everywhere possible. However they wont make smoking illegal because of the loss of tax dollars.

I am more concerned for the suffering people than any laws at this point. We all know governments only job is making more $$$ for themselves anymore.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:52 PM   #8
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I guess that's my whole thing--keep the government out of it as much as possible. I realize that making it legal via perscription would require some regulatory stuff that isn't in the language now (at least to my knowledge) but I have always been someone who said to legalize pot and tax it just like liquor and tobacco. That's of course for recreational use, but for medical use, why shouldn't have some sort of regulation, whether by perscription or OTC use?

Why have a community health program oversee a registration process, which I personally don't see working? I think this is a step in the right direction, but I guess if you are going to require a doctor's note to get it, why not have the doc do the registration right there? They can collect the fee, do the paperwork, and issue the card. I'm sure that is oversimplified, but why make someone in pain and in need have to jump through yet another hoop with another agency in order to get "approved" for a drug that their doctor says is beneficial?

It has been my experience that a person "in crisis" (meaning that they are possibly an imminent danger to self or others) often has to wait up to 14 days for assessment, and treatment with CMH. Non-emergent cases may wait up to 30 days for assessment then another 45 days for treatment. I'm not confident that folks needing a card for medical marijuana will receive it within 90 days of their doctor approving it.

I understand this is a step in the right direction, but I'm not sure the process outlined will work efficiently enough for those truly in need but have never tried it because it was "illegal."
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 09:53 PM   #9
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i was being a smart azz but no pot is bad makes people dumb and gives the dems more followers
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 10:08 PM   #10
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Why have a community health program oversee a registration process, which I personally don't see working?

So they can screw it up.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 05:55 AM   #11
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At least it will push some illegal dealers out of business and become taxable. I wouldn't want healthcare to assist with the cost though. How much will this end up costing the tax payers if any?

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Old November 4th, 2008, 06:05 AM   #12
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California has medical marijuana laws. They made 300k on taxes from it last year. Michigan can use all the money it can get.
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California has medical marijuana laws. They made 300k on taxes from it last year. Michigan can use all the money it can get.
300k or 300 million? 300k for a state isn't shit.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 07:39 AM   #14
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300k or 300 million? 300k for a state isn't shit.
300K for our state is shit; Granholm had the DNR close down a laundry list of state campgrounds for one year because a savings of $75K was important enough.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 08:08 AM   #15
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legalize it and tax it. Its been proven that it does help certain medical conditions and i think people should have access to it. But just like every other system out there it will be abused
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Old November 4th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #16
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I support the legalization of marijuana but choose not to use or abuse it. The government ban on its medical use is all based on past inaccurate assumption, incorrect stigma and just plain lies.

California, Oregon and other states have proved that the legalization of medical marijuana can be beneficial to both the tax payer and the valid user.

as a side note, I love those commercials against prop 1 that have the thug looking drug dealers outside the strip mall, scaring the old people and selling weed to kids. Plus they have a stoner come out of the store with a huge back-pack full of week...funny stuff.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 11:45 AM   #17
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Legalize it and tax the crap out of it.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #18
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legalize it and tax it. Its been proven that it does help certain medical conditions and i think people should have access to it. But just like every other system out there it will be abused
alright, school me on this.

when my dad was going through chemo and radiation for cancer, i was in the room when A DOCTOR offered to write him an Rx for medical marijuana... this was in michigan 4 years ago.

i've been under the assumption that it is legal, w/an Rx.

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I voted no
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Old November 4th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #20
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I voted yes. if anything in this election should be a given it should be the right to get stoned.
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