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Old November 3rd, 2008, 12:02 PM   #1
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http://planetgore.nationalreview.com...YxNmFmOThiZGQ=

I don't know a whole lot about politics but this kind of thing makes me wonder why in the hell anyone would vote for this guy!
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I hope he bankrupts them...maybe Michigan won't be the worst state in the nation.
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because he is all about the change for the hope of the change. duh.
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I don't know a whole lot about politics but this kind of thing makes me wonder why in the hell anyone would vote for this guy!
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Sorry for the . It is just stupid to vote on change in general. The idea that it's different so it has to be better is like saying...well it can't get any worse. At least our free market economy is mostly in tact now under bush. With Obama he's going to want to stick his dirty finger in every CEO's asshole and probably every small business owners too.
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An Obama spokesperson said that Obama’s remarks were taken out of context and pointed out that in another part of the interview, Obama said that the idea of eliminating coal plants was “an illusion.”

“The point Obama is making is that we need to transition from coal burning power plants built with old technology to plants built with advanced technologies--and that is exactly the action that will be incentivized under a cap and trade program,” the spokesperson said. “We know that additional work is necessary to develop and deploy these technologies. That is why Obama has argued for a robust funding program for carbon capture and sequestration. It’s strikingly similar to what McCain has said (in fact McCain goes a step further saying he wants to transition completely away from coal).”
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Exactly, good job passing on false info like all of the other sheep Republicans. Obama isn't a U.S. born citizen, he REFUSES to sing the national anthem, now he wants to bankrupt all of the coal industry. Don't focus on what McCain wants to do for the country, it's easier to just make up shit about Obama instead.

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“But ... let me sort of describe my overall policy. What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system. Which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that I’ve said with respect to coal -- I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that I think is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear. Right now, we don’t know how to store nuclear waste wisely and we don’t know how to deal with some of the safety issues that remain. And so it’s wildly expensive to pursue nuclear energy. But I tell you what, if we could figure out how to store it safely, then I think most of us would say that might be a pretty good deal.

“The point is, if we set rigorous standards for the allowable emissions, then we can allow the market to determine and technology and entrepreneurs to pursue, what the best approach is to take, as opposed to us saying at the outset, here are the winners that we’re picking and maybe we pick wrong and maybe we pick right.”
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Exactly, good job passing on false info like all of the other sheep Republicans. Obama isn't a U.S. born citizen, he REFUSES to sing the national anthem, now he wants to bankrupt all of the coal industry. Don't focus on what McCain wants to do for the country, it's easier to just make up shit about Obama instead.

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ďBut ... let me sort of describe my overall policy. What Iíve said is that we would put a cap and trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system. Which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.

ďSo if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. Itís just that it will bankrupt them because theyíre going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas thatís being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that Iíve said with respect to coal -- I havenít been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that I think is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear. Right now, we donít know how to store nuclear waste wisely and we donít know how to deal with some of the safety issues that remain. And so itís wildly expensive to pursue nuclear energy. But I tell you what, if we could figure out how to store it safely, then I think most of us would say that might be a pretty good deal.

ďThe point is, if we set rigorous standards for the allowable emissions, then we can allow the market to determine and technology and entrepreneurs to pursue, what the best approach is to take, as opposed to us saying at the outset, here are the winners that weíre picking and maybe we pick wrong and maybe we pick right.Ē

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Old November 3rd, 2008, 02:26 PM   #10
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If you watch the video on the posted link it has the full context, not just the snippets. How is something that came out of his mouth that has documented proof that his plan would bankrupt a coal powerplant even able to be disputed? It's there in black and white. Even in the context, he's picking winners and losers by putting standards that he says can't be met by the coal industry! "if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them"
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 02:28 PM   #11
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Bottom line is, if Obama put's any kind of carbon footprint fee/tax/whatever on electricity...who's going to pay it? Edison? Not likely...look to be using candles and lanterns in your homes or spending two weeks pay on a service 90% of people can't afford to live without. The energy companies are going to get thier money, one way or another.
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Yes, bankrupting any company that sets out to build a new coal fire plant, which already has to have a ton of emissions control (the feild Im in) is deffinatly the way to bring change to our society. I really hope coal states (mostly swing states) really understand how this will cripple them. Killing thousands of jobs is deffinatly the way to bring new ideas to the table...
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 02:41 PM   #13
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Killing thousands of jobs is deffinatly the way to bring new ideas to the table...
Yep, new idea's...they might not be good but that's not what Obama signed on for, he just wants change in general...nothing more, so one way or another if anything changes he's kept his promise to the US citizens...or the United Obama Socialist Republic. The only thing I like about Obama is that he is honest about his agenda, he doesn't even defend himself very much, his yahoo supporters make excuses before Obama can.
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The republican party is so weak right now that all someone has to do is say "change" to win. Thats how desperate the people are. McCain was nominated because he is the most liberal republican the party could find. Republicans should be ashamed, the party has gone down the crapper since the Reagan years and have noone to blame but themselves for voting Bush into a second term and allowing Rovian politics and the religious right to dictate what the party does.
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Yes, I will agree the country is definitely swinging democrat but, would you disagree that having someone that is in the middle is better than having straight up socialism? I would think so but I don't understand why would rather spend more money which rumor has it, they have less of. It just seems like...yes the big corporations are getting taxed more but then so are the people down the line because big business doesn't pay out of pocket taxes, the people pay the taxes and all of the goods prices rise, not just on things buy, but things buy as well.
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The republican party is so weak right now that all someone has to do is say "change" to win. Thats how desperate the people are. McCain was nominated because he is the most liberal republican the party could find. Republicans should be ashamed, the party has gone down the crapper since the Reagan years and have noone to blame but themselves for voting Bush into a second term and allowing Rovian politics and the religious right to dictate what the party does.
you have to be the dumbest ever. the are nothing but the new socialist america. they embody nothing that america stands for. they are self serving bureaucrats hell bent on destroying this nation with their opinion.
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The republican party is so weak right now that all someone has to do is say "change" to win. Thats how desperate the people are. McCain was nominated because he is the most liberal republican the party could find. Republicans should be ashamed, the party has gone down the crapper since the Reagan years and have noone to blame but themselves for voting Bush into a second term and allowing Rovian politics and the religious right to dictate what the party does.
You are right in the sense that Republican no longer means Conservative, necessarily, there are still some good conservative's in the party but....

Actually, McCain was nominated because the party allowed anyone (not just those registered as Republicans) to vote in the Republican primaries in many states(or was it all states?). That move allowed McCain to overcome his more conservative opponents and win the nomination. If only declared Republicans had made the choice you probably be seeing Romney in his place right now. Whether that was wise or not may never be known.
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Infinite_Wisdumb and Clint357 obviously don't pay bills. If they did they would see that he's talking about raising our electric/gas/heating costs several fold. To bring about "change".
That check he promised you is shrinking....Line up for your government cheese.

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Infinite_Wisdumb and Clint357 obviously don't pay bills. If they did they would see that he's talking about raising our electric/gas/heating costs several fold. To bring about "change".
That check he promised you is shrinking....Line up for your government cheese.
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That check he promised you is shrinking....Line up for your government cheese.
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