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Old October 29th, 2008, 10:48 AM   #41
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YOU apparently cannot read my original post. He SAVED money rather than spending it. Thats the point. You cannot call Dems tax and spend if they are the only people in the last 50 years to have a surplus. Heck, your boy Bushy had a huge bull market and we have record deficits. We didnt have to go to war with Iraq on our own you know
no but your boy obama has proposed HUGE SPENDING to africa.
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Lets get a couple of things straight here

1) 9.11 has nothing to do with WMD in Iraq and the war we are having there. Iraq had no WMD this is a FACT.

2) Internet bubble has nothing to do with the presidency and has never been mentioned.

3) if anything, hurricane Katrina is a net negative for the . Remember "Doing a hell of a good job Brownie"? Bush mishandled that debacle horribly by appointing a unqualified man to head FEMA. One of Bushs old school buddies.

to suggest that 9/11 did not have an impact on our economy, or sense of nationalism/safety would be naive at best. At the time, there was a huge hue and cry to protect us. panic was everywhere. the people demanded stepped up security efforts. Everything from overspending on the useless department of homeland security to putting upgraded cockpit doors on airplanes, to removing white collar crime task forces from the FBI and putting them into anti-terror efforts. (which in turn contributed to the rampant mortgage fraud which was initially made feasible by the Democrat's desires to loosen the requirements to become a homeowner)

the internet bubble/speculation is again economy based - prior to the burst there were huge surpluses in many tax coffers, from Michigan (under Engler) to California under Davis. Make no mistake, I am and was not a fan of Engler, but using your linear logic, we can thank Engler for the then 25+ billion in rainy day surplus fund, that was then wasted by the Democrat Mole currently in office...

whether FEMA was the right organization to handle the aid and/or whom was in charge is really irrelevant. 100 billion spent on efforts was approved by both parties (remember that split vs. who was a majority at various times you were kind enough to point out earlier in this thread?). hardly a net negative for bush/

I'm willing to admit that Bush, and more importantly both parties have skullfucked our country. I am not willing to be a sheep to smoke and mirror promises of "change" from the white racist from the murder capital of the Nation, that has already stated he'll gladly push a socialist agenda if he's elected, and has already quietly gone back on several promises during his 4 year campaign...

(remember that whole pledge to use only taxpayer funding for his election? he instead thought he could buy the white house, and he may just do it)
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no but your boy obama has proposed HUGE SPENDING to africa.

McCain WOULD be my boy if he was the old moderate McCain, not the new right wing serving Palin-hugging McCain. he sure focked up this election.
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McCain WOULD be my boy if he was the old moderate McCain, not the new right wing serving Palin-hugging McCain. he sure focked up this election.
u'z aints seen nufin yet. wait for the anti american watermelon man.
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The Clinton era only looked so rosy due to the work that Regan did. The fact that he cut the military to nothing, and promoted socialist programs to generate an instant pseudo economy. Other than that, he didn't do much else. The negative situation we are in now is much due to the acts of the Clinton administration.
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YOU apparently cannot read my original post. He SAVED money rather than spending it. Thats the point. You cannot call Dems tax and spend if they are the only people in the last 50 years to have a surplus. Heck, your boy Bushy had a huge bull market and we have record deficits. We didnt have to go to war with Iraq on our own you know
First off, I didn't vote for Bush. I don't like him and think he is a complete and total moron. Second, the so-called savings from Clinton's programs don't even show up in the rounding in the national budget surplus during his term in office. Can you find any more rhetoric from unsubstantiated sources to spout off about while claiming you know dick about any of this? Your posts just continue to support your idiotic screen name. It fits you.
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First off, I didn't vote for Bush. I don't like him and think he is a complete and total moron. Second, the so-called savings from Clinton's programs don't even show up in the rounding in the national budget surplus during his term in office. Can you find any more rhetoric from unsubstantiated sources to spout off about while claiming you know dick about any of this? Your posts just continue to support your idiotic screen name. It fits you.
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listen. with clinton he cut the military to shit. it ended up that my wife and I had to purchase her military equipment with money out of our own pocket for her training and deployments. THAT'S RIGHT PAID OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET for her boots, fatigues, shirts, socks, etc. under clinton. we would then have to submit the receipts and be re-imbursed a portion of what we spent some months later.

the problem is that the idiots of this country can only see and think about what affects them right here, right now. they don't think about down the line, they want to know about what they are getting now, now, now. clinton enjoyed success from reagan policies. talk with anyone who started or maintained a business during the carter/reagan timeframe. the reduction of taxes by Ron allowed business to grow. it took a while but worked. clinton just enjoyed the fruits of it and took credit for it. the idiots of this land simply don't understand as it didn't happen yesterday.

I have always thought it funny how the compare every conflict to vietnam. which a democrat started. they all seem to forget that fact.a because it makes them look bad.

You cannot change the attitude of america. the idiocy of the population is bringing it's downfall. who will they blame. certainly not themselves. who will the blame when they start to pass and severely diminish your rights and people get pissed off? not themselves.

This is absolutely true. Although in the Marines, we've always had to buy our own uniforms, etc. but it became so bad that if we wanted to train, we had to buy our own fuel for the HMMWV's. Trust me, that SUCKED! Getting training money was difficult because our funds to do simple maintenance on the buildings and such on the base was cut all to hell. It was a shitty time to be in the military.
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This is absolutely true. Although in the Marines, we've always had to buy our own uniforms, etc. but it became so bad that if we wanted to train, we had to buy our own fuel for the HMMWV's. Trust me, that SUCKED! Getting training money was difficult because our funds to do simple maintenance on the buildings and such on the base was cut all to hell. It was a shitty time to be in the military.
Well lets clarify... Yes you buy your uniforms however you get a clothing allowance to maintain your uniforms... Right??? I know in my years in the army we got our initial issue and then an annual allowance so that we could maintain our uniforms.

Now as to the no money for training I totally agree with that if you are referring to when we president. It never fails, the military suffers every time a is in office. During my career I saw the end of the Carter years through the current Bush years and I've had to ride that rollercoaster...
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u'z aints seen nufin yet. wait for the anti american watermelon man.
if one of our U.S. senators is anti-american, shouldn't we get something going to get him charged with treason?
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Lets get a couple of things straight here

1) 9.11 has nothing to do with WMD in Iraq and the war we are having there. Iraq had no WMD this is a FACT.
how do you feel about a written/audio/video confession from an iraqi general stating they did in fact have bombs and still do, before our inspectors arrived, the bombs were loaded up every 3 hours onto gutted commercial air liners and sent into airports all over the middle east. most ended up in iran but a few are in other countries as well. you sure do a good job watching the news and pay very close attention to it.
perhaps if you stepped out from your ignorance and looked elsewhere WITH FACTS. you would get the full story.
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Well lets clarify... Yes you buy your uniforms however you get a clothing allowance to maintain your uniforms... Right??? I know in my years in the army we got our initial issue and then an annual allowance so that we could maintain our uniforms.

Now as to the no money for training I totally agree with that if you are referring to when we president. It never fails, the military suffers every time a is in office. During my career I saw the end of the Carter years through the current Bush years and I've had to ride that rollercoaster...
I do get a uniform maintenance allowance, which only recently, since took office has come even CLOSE to covering costs. But honestly still falls short. The comparison was with the Army that can turn in uniforms to their Supply Office and get new ones. (Source: Brother in Army...so admittidly a little shaky).

[SOAPBOX] IMO this election has brought out the division of our country more than most others I can remember. Those that support the War on Terrorism, those that oppose it, those that believe in a totally free market, those that would want more social programs (deemed socialists lately), and so on and so forth.

There are a LOT of things converging on a breaking point at once. First is just the election in general. Second, the economy. Third, our military presence overseas in "Muslim Lands"... Not to mention our 'place in the world'. Russia getting uppity, Chavez, Energy Sources, and ketchup shortages...
okay that last one was personal and just an immediate need.

It's a lot for people that normally don't follow anything outside the evening news to comprehend. And when you can't depend on things like factcheck.com to even be accurate without bias...how are we to make informed decisions?
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a little bird told me about a $20mil. hit out for obama... that is all.
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First off, I didn't vote for Bush. I don't like him and think he is a complete and total moron. Second, the so-called savings from Clinton's programs don't even show up in the rounding in the national budget surplus during his term in office. Can you find any more rhetoric from unsubstantiated sources to spout off about while claiming you know dick about any of this? Your posts just continue to support your idiotic screen name. It fits you.
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I love how everybody blames bush for katrina. Last I checked he wasnt the one who built a house below sea level. I was really hoping ike would hit there too...
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First off, I didn't vote for Bush. I don't like him and think he is a complete and total moron. Second, the so-called savings from Clinton's programs don't even show up in the rounding in the national budget surplus during his term in office. Can you find any more rhetoric from unsubstantiated sources to spout off about while claiming you know dick about any of this? Your posts just continue to support your idiotic screen name. It fits you.

OMG you made fun of my screen name! I am going to weep until the end of days.

I have unsubstantiated rhetoric? Show me where Reagans policies took effect 8 years later. Show me a credible source. You cant, and no one has every time that I have asked.

Of course Clinton cut military spending. I am all for this. We dont need to be the worlds watchdog, we dont need to start wars over some supposed "written/audio/video confession from an iraqi general stating they did in fact have bombs and still do" that is not substantiated. We dont need to be the only country in a military operation against a foe that cannot be defeated (war on terror against an IDEOLOGY, not a tangible enemy).
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YOU apparently cannot read my original post. He SAVED money rather than spending it. Thats the point. You cannot call Dems tax and spend if they are the only people in the last 50 years to have a surplus. Heck, your boy Bushy had a huge bull market and we have record deficits. We didnt have to go to war with Iraq on our own you know
CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted now; and what we aim to accomplish.

Six weeks ago, Saddam Hussein

who caused what war you arrogant ass
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OMG you made fun of my screen name! I am going to weep until the end of days.

I have unsubstantiated rhetoric? Show me where Reagans policies took effect 8 years later. Show me a credible source. You cant, and no one has every time that I have asked.

Of course Clinton cut military spending. I am all for this. We dont need to be the worlds watchdog, we dont need to start wars over some supposed "written/audio/video confession from an iraqi general stating they did in fact have bombs and still do" that is not substantiated. We dont need to be the only country in a military operation against a foe that cannot be defeated (war on terror against an IDEOLOGY, not a tangible enemy).
Ok, Einstein, show me anywhere in most posts that referred to Reagan. Yes, you are one of the sheeple that hears some tidbit on the news and spouts it back to anyone that will listen to you in the hope that they will find you somehow enlightened on the subject. Long run bull markets typically do not give a shit about who is in office regarding Dem or Rep. It is a business cycle. Yes it is influenced, but just because Reagan, or WW1, Clinton, or WWII was in office, really has little impact on the free market as a whole. Congress can make or break it, but not a President.
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I do get a uniform maintenance allowance, which only recently, since took office has come even CLOSE to covering costs. But honestly still falls short. The comparison was with the Army that can turn in uniforms to their Supply Office and get new ones. (Source: Brother in Army...so admittidly a little shaky).

[SOAPBOX] IMO this election has brought out the division of our country more than most others I can remember. Those that support the War on Terrorism, those that oppose it, those that believe in a totally free market, those that would want more social programs (deemed socialists lately), and so on and so forth.

There are a LOT of things converging on a breaking point at once. First is just the election in general. Second, the economy. Third, our military presence overseas in "Muslim Lands"... Not to mention our 'place in the world'. Russia getting uppity, Chavez, Energy Sources, and ketchup shortages...
okay that last one was personal and just an immediate need.

It's a lot for people that normally don't follow anything outside the evening news to comprehend. And when you can't depend on things like factcheck.com to even be accurate without bias...how are we to make informed decisions?

Yes. originally she could trade them in of fill out forms and get additionals for deployment.
I remember when she went to guatamala. we had to buy 4 pair boots, 4 or 5 sets of bdu's, a dozen shirts, 2 dozen pair of socks, plus personal goods, etc. so we have less than a month to come up with over $1000 that we'll get $800 of that back 6 to 8 months from then.

we did it because it needed to be done. but make no mistake we still had to pay for her tution for her second degree, house bills, car payments etc.

part of the reason she didn't resign up was because of the destruction of the military.
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Bill Clinton should thank Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America for his damn surplus.
Maybe I'll put more effort into explaining this later. Maybe not.
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