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Old January 25th, 2009, 02:34 PM   #121
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yea, i see what your saying -

id say its about some mix of concept and or application. using your example, a bumper would score nothing in terms of "idea" because there is no idea/concept to it - its just execution. so the worst it could be is an F3.

but, if you wanted to use the volume within the bumper to brew beer, that would qualify as an idea. so - as soon as you wheeled it, it would foam up, vent, and blow like a volcano leaving you with nothing. and theres yer F4
aahahahahaa! Very nice. I was thinking that perhaps we could add a "B" to the F-score, making it "BF"? That way there's no denying that a high score is not good. See I would pose it like this- you have an idea to build a bumper. Fine. A bumper idea doesn't score you a fail point, everyone knows you need a bumper. If you build a bumper using trampoline parts, you could get a booty fab score of BF-3 since the materials are shady, the finished product is going to look shady, and it's not going to have been executed well since you're not going to be able to bend large diameter thin wall tubing nicely on a harbor freight "kinker" and the welds are going to be bad using your grandpa's old arc welder.

I think I might be ok with a beer keg bumper though
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Old January 25th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #122
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but what if the beer bumper is mounted on my 56 Ford truck-sofa....do I get extra bonus points then?
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Old January 26th, 2009, 04:34 AM   #123
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aahahahahaa! Very nice. I was thinking that perhaps we could add a "B" to the F-score, making it "BF"? That way there's no denying that a high score is not good. See I would pose it like this- you have an idea to build a bumper. Fine. A bumper idea doesn't score you a fail point, everyone knows you need a bumper. If you build a bumper using trampoline parts, you could get a booty fab score of BF-3 since the materials are shady, the finished product is going to look shady, and it's not going to have been executed well since you're not going to be able to bend large diameter thin wall tubing nicely on a harbor freight "kinker" and the welds are going to be bad using your grandpa's old arc welder.

I think I might be ok with a beer keg bumper though

yea, if its not an "idea" new or otherwise, it dosent count = its a zero.

hmmmm, i like BF because its descriptive, its says what it is and thats a plus. i guess F could stand for Failure rather than fujitu or whatever the guys name is that came up with the tornado rating system - not quite the same though. the one thing i like the "F" is its double meaning/value. ie, its common knowledge that an F is a bad thing let alone a natural disaster.

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Yota Bill but what if the beer bumper is mounted on my 56 Ford truck-sofa....do I get extra bonus points then?
a truck-sofa is definitely a concept in its own right so theres F4 potential for sure. then youve got how its mounted, brand of beer, upholstery, user access, cooling system, belly clearance, etc.

hell, it might go off the scale -
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Old January 26th, 2009, 07:32 AM   #124
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I think the new "fail scale" is gonna stick.

It should be stickyed at the top of the build forum.
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Old January 28th, 2009, 05:07 AM   #125
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i was thinking about dune jump's comment about his pan brake, "but it works". made me think maybe we should add one more measure to the scale called function, effectiveness, solution - something like that. because - theres always the aspect of didnt it work, or didnt it ? reguardless of other factors.

the anti wrap bar as an example; it appears to work or be an effective solution, so theres no score on that measure. the opposite would be true if say a three link were nicely finished, smart use of materials, craftsmanship, etc. but it didnt work worth a sh!t. granted, it would be a 1 which is sort of so what in booty land, but it adds another notch in the grand scheme of failure - a FIVE.

1. idea
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3. fabrication/craftsmanship
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Old January 28th, 2009, 07:22 AM   #126
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i was thinking about dune jump's comment about his pan brake, "but it works". made me think maybe we should add one more measure to the scale called function, effectiveness, solution - something like that. because - theres always the aspect of didnt it work, or didnt it ? reguardless of other factors.

the anti wrap bar as an example; it appears to work or be an effective solution, so theres no score on that measure. the opposite would be true if say a three link were nicely finished, smart use of materials, craftsmanship, etc. but it didnt work worth a sh!t. granted, it would be a 1 which is sort of so what in booty land, but it adds another notch in the grand scheme of failure - a FIVE.

1. idea
2. design/engineering
3. fabrication/craftsmanship
4. finish
5. solution (does it work)
Von Dirt, Your comments give me something to look forward to

I'm updating the first post to reflect the new Booty Fab Fail-Scale. That way new readers will have a quick reference to what a BF-"X" means.

Now all we need are some more booty-fabulous pics to critique and "score".

Come on GL4x4, let's see em, don't be shy
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Old January 28th, 2009, 12:45 PM   #127
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not 4x4 specific but it relates -

http://jalopnik.com/306407/bad-weld-...d-on-the-strip

too far away to see all the details . . . . . then again, we know all we need to know -
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Old January 28th, 2009, 01:05 PM   #128
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so that would be at least a BF3/5...
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Old January 29th, 2009, 08:53 PM   #129
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Old January 29th, 2009, 09:10 PM   #130
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Looks like a Lego K-Nex's bumper, just not as strong
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Old January 29th, 2009, 09:13 PM   #131
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Looks like a Lego K-Nex's bumper, just not as strong
yea that was at the bdubs parking lot
i just thought he was a really big football fan
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Old January 29th, 2009, 09:37 PM   #132
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this isnt my build but
I snapped this pic in Gregory....yes that is an XJ....and yes that is 3" PVC!
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Old January 30th, 2009, 01:28 AM   #133
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this isnt my build but
I snapped this pic in Gregory....yes that is an XJ....and yes that is 3" PVC!
It dosn't involve metal so I don't think they really fabricated anything
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Old January 30th, 2009, 04:17 AM   #134
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You can't do that...
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Old January 30th, 2009, 09:01 AM   #135
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It dosn't involve metal so I don't think they really fabricated anything
I almost wish they had ...
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yeah, that's a sweet Ram bumper. I love the attention to detail on this-- the well laid out design, meticulously notched and fitted tubes, the engineered crumple zone, and the grille-like effect it has.

I'm afraid it is not finished, and may end up being "skinned" with some sheet-metal to look like a one-piece sculpture.
Let's rate it!

1. idea (it's a bumper, no points **EDIT- tube bumper without bends:1)
2. design/engineering (fail: 1)
3. fabrication/craftsmanship (stick to legos and lincoln logs, they are pre-fit:1)
4. finish (what finish?: 1)
5. solution (does it work) (no, it does not, though it would slice a deer into thick steaks automatically:1)

BF-5

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this isnt my build but
I snapped this pic in Gregory....yes that is an XJ....and yes that is 3" PVC!

irony - a short chunk of pvc loaded in compression is probably pretty strong - problem is, pvc looses its impact resistance exponentially in the cold. so a rock or something shoots up in there and - kaboom - like a prosthetic leg made of glass.
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irony - a short chunk of pvc loaded in compression is probably pretty strong - problem is, pvc looses its impact resistance exponentially in the cold. so a rock or something shoots up in there and - kaboom - like a prosthetic leg made of glass.
i bet they filled it with cement
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yeah, that's a sweet Ram bumper. I love the attention to detail on this-- the well laid out design, meticulously notched and fitted tubes, the engineered crumple zone, and the grille-like effect it has.

I'm afraid it is not finished, and may end up being "skinned" with some sheet-metal to look like a one-piece sculpture.
Let's rate it!

1. idea (it's a bumper, no points **EDIT- tube bumper without bends:1)
2. design/engineering (fail: 1)
3. fabrication/craftsmanship (stick to legos and lincoln logs, they are pre-fit:1)
4. finish (what finish?: 1)
5. solution (does it work) (no, it does not, though it would slice a deer into thick steaks automatically:1)

BF-5


I have to disagree with one part of this analysis...


if this thing were to hit a deer (or anything else, really) the deer would just laugh at the dumbass as he was picking up his lego's....

still a BF-5 though...
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