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Old January 2nd, 2009, 05:40 PM   #101
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just picked up this gem of a parts truck from a guy, heres a few pics of the "fix" on the rear spring hangers


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Old January 2nd, 2009, 05:55 PM   #102
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Redneck tube notching

Gotta love the welds at 4:40
Priceless.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 07:12 PM   #103
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Later model XJ's don't have a downstream O2 sensor=no check engine light. I don't have a cat on mine and never had a problem.
96 on they have, at least the old one my cousin had, the one i have and misc. other ones are just oddballs, my cousin and my buddy took cats off and they threw constant codes b/c of the downstream sensor. had a massive power loss, and had the light on all the time
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Old January 16th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #104
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Diesel pulling guys arn't the best fabricators.


Here is the rest of the thread I got that from http://www.thedieselgarage.com/forum...read.php?t=323
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Old January 16th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #105
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Diesel pulling guys arn't the best fabricators.
those welds are HAWT
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 07:50 AM   #106
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 07:53 AM   #107
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just picked up this gem of a parts truck from a guy, heres a few pics of the "fix" on the rear spring hangers


I can't believe I missed this, or that it is on the road. In his defense, it was probably a grade 8 exhaust clamp
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 10:30 AM   #108
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Ok someone is going to have to explain to my dumb ass why this is considered booty fab.
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Now this is without doubt booty fab of the highest order. Not only is it structurally unsound, it goes the extra yard by being a critical suspension component likely to cause complete loss of control when it fails. Id love to see a slow motion video of that setup doing a panic stop. Would the radius arm crossmember just flex backward or would it collapse or would it tear completely off? Makes you wonder what the steering looks like.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 11:22 AM   #109
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Now this is without doubt booty fab of the highest order. Not only is it structurally unsound, it goes the extra yard by being a critical suspension component likely to cause complete loss of control when it fails. I’d love to see a slow motion video of that setup doing a panic stop. Would the radius arm crossmember just flex backward or would it collapse or would it tear completely off? Makes you wonder what the steering looks like.
I think I read the steering wasn't done, it still had to be "fabbed up". We should all be glad it wasn't "fabbed" by the same guy! No street sign, trampoline, or scaffolding within a 50 mile radius would be safe.

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Old January 23rd, 2009, 12:26 PM   #110
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Bracket welded to bracket bolted to bracket, welded to frame. It doesn't look like it would fail, but dang, at a certain point you have to look at the design and realize you should re-do it. AHHHHH!
Humm...not what I see. Bracket bolted to frame. Frame bracket modified with bolt on diagonal supports to allow ebrake cable to pass through. Shackle set up to allow front to back movement of the axle to prevent suspension bind while still controlling axle wrap. Quality hardware (grade 8 bolts) and a relatively sound design. Sure the frame bracket could have been executed a bit better and the fab work is not as finished as some more detail orientated fabricators would have done (ie rounded corners, etc.)..... and the welds could look better.....but booty fab? On a scale of 1 to 10 where that heep is a 9+ this has to rate a 1 or less.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 05:13 AM   #111
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i like the idea of a rate or scale system.

most are familar with the "F" rating for tornados, so given theres carnage, danger, and ugliness involved it kinda fits. id suggest four measures -

1. idea
2. design/engineering
3. fabrication/craftsmanship
4. finish

an F4 would have failed on all counts, an F1 would fail on any one count etc.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 09:32 AM   #112
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i like the idea of a rate or scale system.

most are familar with the "F" rating for tornados, so given theres carnage, danger, and ugliness involved it kinda fits. id suggest four measures -

1. idea
2. design/engineering
3. fabrication/craftsmanship
4. finish

an F4 would have failed on all counts, an F1 would fail on any one count etc.

sounds like a good rating system to me, but can you define those some? for example, you have "idea" as one, and "design" as the second one...whats the difference?

I'd like to know how often I build an F1 or a F2
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Old January 25th, 2009, 10:11 AM   #113
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sounds like a good rating system to me, but can you define those some? for example, you have "idea" as one, and "design" as the second one...whats the difference?

I'd like to know how often I build an F1 or a F2
Driving a Yota is an automatic F1.

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Old January 25th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #114
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i like the idea of a rate or scale system.

most are familar with the "F" rating for tornados, so given theres carnage, danger, and ugliness involved it kinda fits. id suggest four measures -

1. idea
2. design/engineering
3. fabrication/craftsmanship
4. finish

an F4 would have failed on all counts, an F1 would fail on any one count etc.

I love it-

I think the idea relates to the general concept being attemted, ie: traction bar, new steering setup, etc whereas the design/engineering is how well it is thought out and executed. Something like a wristed axle setup could be a nice idea, but be poorly designed, fabricated, and finished, and score an F3.

I think that XJ radius arm bracket definitely scores an F4. Bad idea, designed after too many beers, horribly fabricated (it gets weaker the closer you get to the frame rather than the other way around), and very much unfinished.

Good post VonDirt
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Old January 25th, 2009, 10:52 AM   #115
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Driving a Yota is an automatic F1.

J/K

well, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion...not my problem if yours is wrong

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Old January 25th, 2009, 11:06 AM   #116
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well, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion...not my problem if yours is wrong

No sense of humor huh? If it makes you feel better, I'd say my Jeep is at least a F1.5
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Originally Posted by Yota Bill
sounds like a good rating system to me, but can you define those some? for example, you have "idea" as one, and "design" as the second one...whats the difference?


Dune Jump hit the nail on the head - couldnt have said it better -


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I love it-

I think the idea relates to the general concept being attemted, ie: traction bar, new steering setup, etc whereas the design/engineering is how well it is thought out and executed. Something like a wristed axle setup could be a nice idea, but be poorly designed, fabricated, and finished, and score an F3.

I think that XJ radius arm bracket definitely scores an F4. Bad idea, designed after too many beers, horribly fabricated (it gets weaker the closer you get to the frame rather than the other way around), and very much unfinished.

Good post VonDirt

thanks man
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Old January 25th, 2009, 01:22 PM   #118
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No sense of humor huh? If it makes you feel better, I'd say my Jeep is at least a F1.5
notice the ...if I was serious, I wouldnt be on the net...


besides, I dont even have a working (or assembled) Toy at the moment...I drive a Geo Tracker....



the name came about because someone that runs a different forum couldnt spell my last name, so he just changed it to that, and its stuck since then...
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Old January 25th, 2009, 01:26 PM   #119
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sounds like a good rating system to me, but can you define those some? for example, you have "idea" as one, and "design" as the second one...whats the difference?


Dune Jump hit the nail on the head - couldnt have said it better -





thanks man

so if someone has the "idea" to build a bumper (for example) there is 1 point to the good? just because they decided to build it rather then buy it? I guess thats the one I dont understand...


*not trying to be an ass here, I just dont understand your meaning...
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so if someone has the "idea" to build a bumper (for example) there is 1 point to the good? just because they decided to build it rather then buy it? I guess thats the one I dont understand...


*not trying to be an ass here, I just dont understand your meaning...

yea, i see what your saying -

id say its about some mix of concept and or application. using your example, a bumper would score nothing in terms of "idea" because there is no idea/concept to it - its just execution. so the worst it could be is an F3.

but, if you wanted to use the volume within the bumper to brew beer, that would qualify as an idea. so - as soon as you wheeled it, it would foam up, vent, and blow like a volcano leaving you with nothing. and theres yer F4
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