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Old October 26th, 2008, 02:38 PM   #81
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ok I have my flame suit on so Ill say it. I hope pistols get outlawed in the us just like Canada, I know off topic but tell me one reason you need to carry a pistol?
and if you answer its my right to bear arms thats horseshit.
Besides the facts that Criminals have them there is really no reason to carry IMO
The groups in this country put in place to protect us are great. I thank them for their service, but they can't be everywhere; nor do I expect them to be.

Like almost everything in my life, I put myself personally responsible for the livelihood, health, and safety of me, my wife, and my family and friends when/if they need it. That is way it was before this sense of entitlement, and that is they way it still should be.

I don't want to rely on others for my well being. Being money, food, protection, etc...

That's why I carry a pistol; I'm not a wanna be cop, a gun nut, or an adrenalin jockey. I appreciate the right.
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Why McCain?

Frankly, McCain (like Dubya before him) isn't the best choice.

McCain:
Pluses
+ foreign policy experience
+ history of reaching across the aisle - campaign ads notwithstanding
+ campaign finance reformer
+ opposes earmarks

Minuses
- Rovian campaign
- New-found need to schmooze with the religious right (perpetuating the BS that the and religious zealots are aligned)
- Wishy-washy (like every mainstream candidate) on illegal immigration

Like every election since Reagan, it's a case of "lesser of the two evils".

Obama:
Pluses
+ Election of a black President with a non-financially-supportive absentee father should be the impetus to eliminate all quota/set-aside/preferential EEO programs.

Minuses
- Sworn in as a U.S. Senator in 2005, after eight years as an Illinois State Senator (part-time job). Inexperienced.
- Chicago - 'nuff said
- Tax-and-spend
- Consistent pattern of restricting/limiting my 2nd Amendment rights
- Elitist attitude ("It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.")
- Don't like Michelle one little bit (this sunk Kerry)
- Arrogance - granted you have to be somewhat arrogant to be a politician in the first place. But here are a few examples:

After Rev. Wright repeated his anti-American slurs at the National Press Club, Mr. Obama said their relationship was forever changed – but not because of what he'd said about America. Instead, Mr. Obama complained, "I don't think he showed much concern for me."

"When Morgan Freeman Comes Over To Greet Obama (at a Hollywood fundraiser), The Senator Begins Bowing Down Both Hands In Worship. 'This Guy Was President Before I Was,' Says Obama, Referring To Freeman's Turn In Deep Impact And, Clearly, Getting A Little Ahead Of His Own Bio. Next, A Nod To Bruce Almighty: 'This Guy Was God Before I Was.'"

It's those slips of the tongue that reveal the inner person - and I don't mean meaningless public speaking faux pas like 57 states...

Note that I don't include good speech-making skills as a plus or minus - although Obama gets an A++ in that category. He's an excellent speaker - at least from prepared materials in a "friendly" environment. His performance in the debates was less impressive - obviously not an improvisor.

So, it's more about "why not Obama" than "why McCain".
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Duffman, I really like the way you think. I agree almost completely.
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Old October 26th, 2008, 03:33 PM   #84
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The groups in this country put in place to protect us are great. I thank them for their service, but they can't be everywhere; nor do I expect them to be.

Like almost everything in my life, I put myself personally responsible for the livelihood, health, and safety of me, my wife, and my family and friends when/if they need it. That is way it was before this sense of entitlement, and that is they way it still should be.

I don't want to rely on others for my well being. Being money, food, protection, etc...

That's why I carry a pistol; I'm not a wanna be cop, a gun nut, or an adrenalin jockey. I appreciate the right.
That was the kind of answer I was looking for yay Daryl
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That was the kind of answer I was looking for yay Daryl
I don't get it. Aren't you the guy who wants to see pistols outlawed?
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Just in, from the Washington Post. Highest paid person on the McCain campaign first half of Oct. Palin's makeup artist. Country first indeed.
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I'm Not against guns, I just think its rather odd that someone would base who they are voting for over something as trivial as gun control. I don't foresee anyone in this election taking away your guns.
Incremental gun control by Nazi Germany and the rise of a charismatic leader in rough times. These are exerpts from the article. We'll start with the take home message first.

NAZI FIREARMS LAW AND THE DISARMING OF THE GERMAN JEWS
17 Arizona Journal of International and Comparative Law, No. 3, 483-535 (2000) by Stephen P. Halbrook*

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow
the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all
conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms
have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
- Adolph Hitler

1920 Restrictions

The Gesetz über die Entwaffnung der Bevölkerung (Law on the
Disarmament of the People), passed on August 7, 1920, provided for a
Reichskommissar for Disarmament of the Civil Population.24 He was empowered to
define which weapons were “military weapons” and thus subject to seizure.25 The
bolt action Mauser rifles Models 1888/98, which had 5-shot magazines, were put in the
same class as hand grenades.26 Persons with knowledge of unlawful arms caches
were required to inform the Disarmament Commission.27
.......


Carrying a firearm required a Waffenschein (license to carry a weapon). The
issuing authority had complete discretion to limit its validity to a specific occasion or
locality.37 “Licenses to obtain or to carry firearms shall only be issued to persons
whose reliability is not in doubt, and only after proving a need for them.”38
.......

The law prohibits possession of firearms by “adolescents, incapacitated
persons, gypsies and persons traveling around like gypsies, as well as persons who
are considered unreliable because of criminal convictions.”66 Kuenzer added: “This
will certainly be welcomed by the general public.”67
.........

1933 disarmorment of non-nazis

Adolph Hitler was named Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933. The
Nazi regime immediately began a campaign to disarm and obliterate all enemies of the
state, who were invariably designated “Communists.”

.........
Meanwhile, non-Nazis throughout Germany were disarmed as
“Communists.” “Party headquarters throughout the country were raided and
subversive literature and weapons were seized.”89 At the same time, even more Nazis
were armed by the government. “Throughout Prussia some 60,000 Nazi storm
troopers and members of the Stahlhelm have been enrolled as auxiliary police and
have been armed with revolvers and truncheons.”90 The outcome of the “election”
could not be in doubt.

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It is about self defense. It protects our right to defend ourselves (citizens militia) from hostile governments or even our own government.

I am very capable of defending myself in hand to hand confrontations (backround in combat style martial arts) but I still may consider purchasing a weapon to defend my property and family. I fear that if Obama gets elected there could be some very strange racial tensions developing and some people may get the idea that I owe them something for being white.

I hope I'm just being overconcerned about the whole racial tension thing.
My point is the framers of the bill of rights meant for the government to fear the people. It is the ability to take our country back. It was important enough to be second on the list. It is about the people to suppress tyranny should the time arrive. That means battle weapons. We are, and should always be a country of arms.

On sidebar: I wish there was an amendment guarantee to hunting rights, sporting arms and self defense.
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I don't get it. Aren't you the guy who wants to see pistols outlawed?
I said I hope but honestly I could care less what happens. The only reason I would like to see it happen is people would have a harder time killing each other.

But ya see Daryl had a good answer, not because I am scared or because I can, but because he wants to take every precaution and use all of his rights in defending his family. If I lived somewhere where I felt unsafe or found myself in the woods for periods of time far from civilization I would not mind the piece of mind of someone in my group or myself having a firearm.

Sometimes I think a little off kilter. I do not hate guns at all actually I like them I used to own a handgun. I never carried it and just found it unnecessary.
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Just in, from the Washington Post. Highest paid person on the McCain campaign first half of Oct. Palin's makeup artist. Country first indeed.
wow.
Obama's campaign cost/spends twice as much as McCains. How many people would that feed.

Kind of like their tax plans...
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well besides it being Nazi stuff, i don't really see anything wrong with above.


Do you think Illegal Immigrants should be able to buy guns?
Do you think people who are not mentally sound should buy guns?
Do you think people who are under age 18 should be able to buy guns besides for hunting?
Do you think convicted Felons should be able to buy guns?


and Hitler wasn't named Chancellor, er machtergreifung.

Also as a side note, i like how people call obama a communist and a socialist, yet they want to compare him to Hitler. Hitler was a Fascist.
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well besides it being Nazi stuff, i don't really see anything wrong with above.


Do you think Illegal Immigrants should be able to buy guns?
Do you think people who are not mentally sound should buy guns?
Do you think people who are under age 18 should be able to buy guns besides for hunting?
Do you think convicted Felons should be able to buy guns?


and Hitler wasn't named Chancellor, er machtergreifung.

Also as a side note, i like how people call obama a communist and a socialist, yet they want to compare him to Hitler. Hitler was a Fascist.
East Germany was socialist and the people lived in poverty, this is more recent than the 1940s (for those of you who forgot about the Berlin Wall). Hitler was a fascist. Firearm limitations began prior to Hitler, but during Nazi regime. Nazi was the party of the people but got twisted when the people were in poor times and a charismatic leader (Hitler) convinced the people he offered "change". Then firearm limitations became firearm confiscation and there was a holocost. Hitler is very similar to Obama in that charismatic leaders gain power during hard times but rarely have the will or skills to guide the people out of chaos. Rather more chaos comes from their reign.
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So you think Hitler was Elected?

And East germany was selfdeclared socialist, but was really a Communist state.


And actually as sick as it sounds, if you ignore the whole World domination holocaust thing, Hitler did bring Germany out of Hyperinflation, etc.
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well besides it being Nazi stuff, i don't really see anything wrong with above.


Do you think Illegal Immigrants should be able to buy guns?
Do you think people who are not mentally sound should buy guns?
Do you think people who are under age 18 should be able to buy guns besides for hunting?
Do you think convicted Felons should be able to buy guns?


and Hitler wasn't named Chancellor, er machtergreifung.

Also as a side note, i like how people call obama a communist and a socialist, yet they want to compare him to Hitler. Hitler was a Fascist.



"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

Sounds like a quote from an Obama speech.

Note the part where Hitler say's we are socialist's, not you are, we are.
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Hitler was a Fascist, he could have said he was a gay black jew in 1927, but he was a Fascist. And i'm really suprised more of you guys aren't bigger fans of Hitler, all he wanted to do was gather up people who opposed religion, homosexuals, communists, and others.

Hitler was a freak, quit trying to draw parallels between Obama and Hitler.
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Hitler was a Fascist, he could have said he was a gay black jew in 1927, but he was a Fascist. And i'm really suprised more of you guys aren't bigger fans of Hitler, all he wanted to do was gather up people who opposed religion, homosexuals, communists, and others.

Hitler was a freak, quit trying to draw parallels between Obama and Hitler.
Radical backgrounds, Little or no experience, community organizer, both give fiery speeches and incite fanatical crowds.
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Radical backgrounds, Little or no experience, community organizer, both give fiery speeches and incite fanatical crowds.

Radical Background?

Little to no experience, do you really think anything trains you to be president, I'm pretty sure Obama+Biden has enough experience to Match McCain (Palin has virtually no experience in anything)

Community organizer - please explain how this is a bad thing?

Fiery Speeches - Again please Explain how this is a bad thing?

Incite Fanatical Crowds - Incite - nothing wrong with inciting people, Fanatical - nothing wrong with being excited about a person/government, Crowds - unless they are dressed like clowns i'm pretty sure its legal.
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Hitler was a Fascist, he could have said he was a gay black jew in 1927, but he was a Fascist. And i'm really suprised more of you guys aren't bigger fans of Hitler, all he wanted to do was gather up people who opposed religion, homosexuals, communists, and others.

Hitler was a freak, quit trying to draw parallels between Obama and Hitler.
Kinda funny guy's with a bunch of letters after their names disagree with you.

Im not trying to draw any parallels I thik he's Hitler reincarnated.
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Kinda funny guy's with a bunch of letters after their names disagree with you.

Im not trying to draw any parallels I thik he's Hitler reincarnated.
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Before we answer that question, however, let us look at what the Left and Right in politics consist of at present. Consider this description by Edward Feser of someone who would have been an ideal Presidential candidate for the modern-day U.S. Democratic party:



He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter. He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend "lived together" for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man's personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual. He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he was a vegetarian and animal lover; he enacted tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill.

He championed the rights of workers, regarded capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and sought a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admired the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies. His aim was to institute a brand of socialism that avoided the inefficiencies that plagued the Soviet variety, and many former communists found his program highly congenial. He deplored the selfish individualism he took to be endemic to modern Western society, and wanted to replace it with an ethic of self-sacrifice: "As Christ proclaimed 'love one another'," he said, "so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out.! This call will echo throughout the world!"



This was written about Hitler, or maybe Obama, whatever one in the same.
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