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Old October 23rd, 2008, 02:17 PM   #21
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Understandable. I'm just saying if it is as big of an issue as everyone makes it out to be, he shouldn't be responsible for anything government related.
Also, whether true or not, the McCain campaign should have realized that this was going to be the perception by an awful lot of folks and that makes the VP pick MUCH more critical than it is typically. Enter Palin.

I feel like this will be cited as the main reason if he loses. With the situation we're currently in being perceived as tied to Bush, the republican nominee needed to minimize ANYTHING that could be objectionable, hence why I think Palin was the big mistake. That VP candidate needed to be more "presidential" than any has ever been IMHO.
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Also, whether true or not, the McCain campaign should have realized that this was going to be the perception by an awful lot of folks and that makes the VP pick MUCH more critical than it is typically. Enter Palin.

I feel like this will be cited as the main reason if he loses. With the situation we're currently in being perceived as tied to Bush, the republican nominee needed to minimize ANYTHING that could be objectionable, hence why I think Palin was the big mistake. That VP candidate needed to be more "presidential" than any has ever been IMHO.
I would be happy to take my chances with palin. I trust nothing to obama.
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I would be happy to take my chances with palin. I trust nothing to obama.
And you are typically what? Republican, Democrat, Independent/Undecided? Serious question.

The fact that you'd even use the term "take my chances" goes right to my point. You should be able to say that Palin has every single qualification, beyond question to be VP given McCain's age and the perception of health issues. See what I mean?
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And you are typically what? Republican, Democrat, Independent/Undecided? Serious question.

The fact that you'd even use the term "take my chances" goes right to my point. You should be able to say that Palin has every single qualification, beyond question to be VP given McCain's age and the perception of health issues. See what I mean?
I have always voted GOP or independent I have never nor will ever vote Democrat. period.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 02:57 PM   #25
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I have always voted GOP or independent I have never nor will ever vote Democrat. period.
Thanks. And you used "taking your chances".

I'm not saying you actually think that you're taking a chance, but the fact that you'd even consider using the phrase as a joke is what I'm getting at.

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Old October 23rd, 2008, 04:13 PM   #26
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By the way, I should point out that I went into things all ready to vote for the old McCain. It's only over the course of the campaign that I changed my mind.

Lesser of two evils, pick your poison. We're in big trouble either way, I don't see Obama as the knight on horseback by a long shot.
Same here. I was leaning Mccain before the VP picks. I wasnt excited about Biden, but I was disgusted by Palin.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 04:25 PM   #27
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If only Mitt Romney was the VP candidate for the GOP. I wouldn't have to second guess my vote.

Right now, it's still McCain because I would rather have Clinton (Bill) back then Obama.
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I can't take the way that talk about Palin anymore. She's not a dog or a little girl, so why do they constantly have to be on the defensive with regard to her and mention how they are 'so proud of her achievements'?

I had hope when I heard about an outsider...but I can no longer take her garbled rhetoric, ascent-mindedness, or evasiveness.

McCain might live to be 150 years old, but I don't think I could take Palin as president...
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If only Mitt Romney was the VP candidate for the GOP. I wouldn't have to second guess my vote.
I think that would have been a great choice too.


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Old October 23rd, 2008, 05:41 PM   #30
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palin has more executive experience than obama, he has zero. she was a governor and a mayor. those are both executive positions. the experience level of obama is worse and he is running for president. he cant even figure out how to properly vote (present is not an option)!!

anyone bitching about her experience better be voting for bob barr or some other 3rd party.

mccain will live longer in office than obama anyway!
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palin has more executive experience than obama, he has zero. she was a governor and a mayor.
You realize this only holds water for , right? One of the biggest problems with her candidacy and the way the campaign has been run is to try and drive that weak-assed point home over and over after it became obvious that it wasn't selling.

I'll go back to the analogous argument I've brought up before and no one seems to comment on: As a republican, how much credit would you give Granholm's "executive" experience if she was the one running for the VP office? She can "see Canada from here", does that make her qualified in foreign policy?

If the had just embraced her as an enthusiastic and idealistic republican upstart with good ideas and a record of "maverick-ism", she could have been legitimate.

What you're trying to sell there only works with people that would have voted for McCain already.
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i think all politicians are evil and corrupt. thats why im writing myself in and voting for me.


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Old October 24th, 2008, 09:39 PM   #33
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You realize this only holds water for , right? One of the biggest problems with her candidacy and the way the campaign has been run is to try and drive that weak-assed point home over and over after it became obvious that it wasn't selling.

I'll go back to the analogous argument I've brought up before and no one seems to comment on: As a republican, how much credit would you give Granholm's "executive" experience if she was the one running for the VP office? She can "see Canada from here", does that make her qualified in foreign policy?

If the had just embraced her as an enthusiastic and idealistic republican upstart with good ideas and a record of "maverick-ism", she could have been legitimate.

What you're trying to sell there only works with people that would have voted for McCain already.
it works fine cause its true! list obamas executive position experience.
i listed hers already.

her executive experience speaks for itself. she is a retard! she still would have 100 percent more executive experience than obama, and she will be hired by obama too.

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Old October 24th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #34
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I'm not impressed with McCain's campaign but I will be voting for him anyway. I feel Obama is a racist, elitest nutbag that has made it as far as he has riding the "change" wave so many Americans want (but are too stupid to realize the big picture). I think GWB has done more to elect Obaman than anybody else.

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Old October 24th, 2008, 10:06 PM   #35
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I liked the old McCain… He was a moderate Republican that worked with moderate Democrats. He was a thorn in the side of GWB.

The Old McCain took the high road for torture and wanted the USA to follow the Genève Convention.

The new McCain has gone to Crazy Base-Ville for votes. He could have taken 30% of the moderate Dems and 30% of the Moderate Reps and been sitting pretty with a comfortable 60% lead as an Independent Candidate that fit his reputation that took 26 years to build as an moderate Republican.

The last 12 months have reversed the reputation of a moderate republican.

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Politicians main objective is to gain votes during the campaign. If you liked McCain prior to the campaign you will like him once he's in office. Same goes for Obama. I wouldn't place too much emphasis on the "promises" or "tactics" during the election cycle. Their true character is in their previous work.
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Old October 24th, 2008, 10:26 PM   #36
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he's had cancer 4 times.
My mother has had cancer three times and is the toughest bitch you'll ever meet.

I think McCain could probably kick my mom's ass.
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McCain may be your only choice when they find out Obama was born in Kenya. They have his grandma on tape saying how she went to Kenya to see his birth?
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McCain may be your only choice when they find out Obama was born in Kenya. They have his grandma on tape saying how she went to Kenya to see his birth?
Yeah but it will be hard to verify once Obama "destroys the evidence" ie he whacks granny during his trip to Hawaii. Don't be surprised if she ends up on ice while he's there.
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Old October 24th, 2008, 11:11 PM   #39
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funny stuff wait not sure whackin and old lady should be funny politics so corrupt
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funny stuff wait not sure whackin and old lady should be funny politics so corrupt
And she only has osteoporosis, not a terminal disease so it will be really suspicious if she doesn't survive....
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