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Old October 23rd, 2008, 11:44 AM   #21
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IMHO all he really is riding on this whole election is an amazing and unique campaign that targets students and liberals and jumps on their emotions for this "Change" that everyone wants. But does anyone even really know what the change is they want/need? No, I don't think Obama even really understands - his campaign just did an awesome job at marketing a "message".

That is what two years of campaigning and multi-million dollar poll contractor will get you.
Did you notice how Obama started parroting McCains strong points?
He was fine tuning the message for maximum effect. "!!FIRE FOR EFFECT!!".

So for a true picture you need to look at their record and background.
By the way, Obamas current resume has deleted the executive expreience at ACORN. Wonder why? no matter.

#1 reason why not? Obama lies.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 11:45 AM   #22
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weath redistribution smells like socialism to me. Especially with a democrat-majority House and Senate. There will be no balance to the government. I AGREE WITH THIS TO A POINT

And they will ban my guns so I can't even hunt for food once the economy is destroyed by their socialism. SILLY

Don't believe socialism is bad for the average citizen? Look at China, East Germany, Russia..... The only ones who benefit from socialism are the government factions.CHINAS STANDARD OF LIVING IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. MY COMPANY JUST OPENED A HUGE RESEARCH CENTER THERE. THE PEOPLE ARE BUYING CARS AND TECHNOLOGY. THEY ARE WAY BETTER OFF THANT HEY USED TO BE. THIS ARGUMENT DOESNT HOLD WEIGHT
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 11:55 AM   #23
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This might sound odd seeing i am on the fence on to who i am voting for but i was informed the Obama and his Vice Pres Biden sounds to close to Osama Binladen to me. So it is a odd one to me.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:01 PM   #24
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CHINAS STANDARD OF LIVING IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. MY COMPANY JUST OPENED A HUGE RESEARCH CENTER THERE. THE PEOPLE ARE BUYING CARS AND TECHNOLOGY. THEY ARE WAY BETTER OFF THANT HEY USED TO BE. THIS ARGUMENT DOESNT HOLD WEIGHT.
So when do you leave?
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:03 PM   #25
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So when do you leave?
X2. I hear there's a HUGE waiting list to get into China.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:04 PM   #26
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So when do you leave?
LOL

If they pay me enough and the job is satisfying enough, Ill go over there in a heartbeat. I can still vote in the US elections via absentee ballot!
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:05 PM   #27
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X2. I hear there's a HUGE waiting list to get into China.

Ever been to China?
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:06 PM   #28
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because I am afraid he might get shot if he is in office
IF he gets elected that could be the best thing to happen.

At least with Joe you know what you are getting yourself into.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:06 PM   #29
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IF he gets elected that could be the best thing to happen.

At least with Joe you know what you are getting yourself into.

It is sad that you think Murder is OK.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:08 PM   #30
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the china standard of living argument doesn't hold much water. there is still a HUGE discrepancy in the haves and the have nots over in China. Sure, as an average it's higher, in part cause anything is higher than "zero..."

sure there are some ballers driving Buick's, but ask the traditional Chinese Farmer how he's faring, and if he's seen any significant progress vs. the past 50 years...
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:09 PM   #31
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It is sad that you think Murder is OK.
It's sad, and somewhat predictable that you'd make that leap/conclusion...
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:17 PM   #32
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It's sad, and somewhat predictable that you'd make that leap/conclusion...
hahah no doubt.

its sad to know that other people would be able to predict his leaps/conclusions
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:23 PM   #33
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:38 PM   #34
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It's sad, and somewhat predictable that you'd make that leap/conclusion...

How do you not reach that conclusion? what other conclusion can you draw from this statement?


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because I am afraid he might get shot if he is in office

IF he gets elected that could be the best thing to happen
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:48 PM   #35
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the china standard of living argument doesn't hold much water. there is still a HUGE discrepancy in the haves and the have nots over in China. Sure, as an average it's higher, in part cause anything is higher than "zero..."

sure there are some ballers driving Buick's, but ask the traditional Chinese Farmer how he's faring, and if he's seen any significant progress vs. the past 50 years...
My boss and friend is Chinese. His family owned a business prior to communism. When the movement went into effect not only was the business taken away and given to the "state" but also the family name was blacklisted. Descendents of previous business owners were not permitted to attend Universities (afterall, you wouldn't want them taking over again). As a result he left China and attended undergraduate school in the UK and got his PhD in the US. Conditions may have improved since capitalism entered China in the last 20 years, but "wealth redistribution" sucks!
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:56 PM   #36
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His age is the only item... I wish he had more time on the national stage.

In 2004 when he gave that speech at the DNC convention I told my wife that we were possibly watching the first Black Prez.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:18 PM   #37
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:30 PM   #38
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In a nutshell:
he's for killing babys, taxing the shit out of working folks, and giving our taxes to the undeserving.
I'm with the new RyeBread, he is fiesty and correct.

He is MEGA liberal and will take the country in a bad direction (change).
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:47 PM   #39
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How do you not reach that conclusion? what other conclusion can you draw from this statement?


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because I am afraid he might get shot if he is in office

IF he gets elected that could be the best thing to happen
making an evaluation/assessment of a situation does not in and of itself mean that one condones the actions, or supports the actions that may lead to the best possible outcome.

you = owned by linear thinking. get away from thinking in a linear fashion which leads you into the corners of your boxes...


for what it's worth people survive gunshot wounds all the time, and yet are unable to complete their duties... which in turn means it would not necessarily have to be murder. :p
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making an evaluation/assessment of a situation does not in and of itself mean that one condones the actions, or supports the actions that may lead to the best possible outcome.

you = owned by linear thinking. get away from thinking in a linear fashion which leads you into the corners of your boxes...


for what it's worth people survive gunshot wounds all the time, and yet are unable to complete their duties... which in turn means it would not necessarily have to be murder. :p
So he condones attempted murder? Either way, he said it was a good thing if Obama gets shot. There is nothing good about that statement.
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