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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:43 PM   #21
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I want to vote for Bob Barr.

But I REALLY dislike Obama.

It's a tough call for me.
I'm in the same boat.

I'm also kinda tempted to "Atlas Shrug" it and vote dem just to watch the system crash...but I don't think I could ever muster up the balls to actually do it.

My dilemma is what exactly does a vote for Barr gain? While it would help me sleep at night what good does that do? It helps put another nail in McCain's coffin, gives a point to Obama, and is it REALLY going to make a difference to the media??? They still won't give any press to the independents and you know it.

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Old October 23rd, 2008, 12:48 PM   #22
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The previous administration for the past 8 years has done just this.
Why Why Why does everyone continue to try to blame Bush and his cabinet for the mess we are in. Take Iraq out of the scenerio because it is a very very small part of the problem. The legislations that have made us financially weak were started and continued by the .


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I could not sleep at night not putting my vote on the canidate with the best odds of keeping Obama out of the White House.

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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:02 PM   #23
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Why Why Why does everyone continue to try to blame Bush and his cabinet for the mess we are in. Take Iraq out of the scenerio because it is a very very small part of the problem. The legislations that have made us financially weak were started and continued by the .


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I could not sleep at night not putting my vote on the canidate with the best odds of keeping Obama out of the White House.
My point was that

1) the republican party is no longer the republican party during the reagan years due to Bush.
2) This is largely due to Bush having his way with the house and senate
3) There is no longer a majority in the government because of Bushs policies
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:07 PM   #24
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My dilemma is what exactly does a vote for Barr gain?
Integrity.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:13 PM   #25
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Integrity.
Exactly. I would rather know I voted for the right guy and sleep well at night than know I voted for the wrong guy to keep somebody else out of office. If the U.S. goes to shit after the new president, it's not because I didn't vote for the best candidate.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:39 PM   #26
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That being said, while I'm not "for McCain" per se', I am definitely much more against Obama.

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I'm also kinda tempted to "Atlas Shrug" it and vote dem just to watch the system crash...but I don't think I could ever muster up the balls to actually do it.
Ill be voting for constitution or libertarian anywhere there's an option to. But US Supreme court justices are too important to hand the Presidency to a democrat.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:44 PM   #27
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My feeling is to the point where I think that people should vote for ANYONE but MccCain or Nobama.

we are screwed either way, but we dont have to show them support
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My feeling is to the point where I think that people should vote for ANYONE but MccCain or Nobama.

we are screwed either way, but we dont have to show them support
No but to toss your vote to someone else is basically handing the election to Obama if you typically lean right.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:47 PM   #29
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I don't visit this side of the fence very often, please let me know what you think "their ulterior motives" are.

Thanks
The US government is systematically removing our rights. Their motive is to have absolute control over the people. By reducing our rights to privacy, to own guns, to congregate, to keep a check on our very government itself, they are making it less likely that the average US citizens can keep the government itself under our control. They have dumbed down our educational system to the point that only people that take the time to study independently actually understand how government works. You can't control what you don't understand. By increasing social welfare programs, they effectively increase the number of people that blindly support the government. All they care is that they get the monthly ration of free shit. They just continue to vote these people in to office during every election.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:56 PM   #30
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The US government is systematically removing our rights. Their motive is to have absolute control over the people. By reducing our rights to privacy, to own guns, to congregate, to keep a check on our very government itself, they are making it less likely that the average US citizens can keep the government itself under our control. They have dumbed down our educational system to the point that only people that take the time to study independently actually understand how government works. You can't control what you don't understand. By increasing social welfare programs, they effectively increase the number of people that blindly support the government. All they care is that they get the monthly ration of free shit. They just continue to vote these people in to office during every election.
Oh...

I mean Baaa



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Old October 23rd, 2008, 01:59 PM   #31
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No but to toss your vote to someone else is basically handing the election to Obama if you typically lean right.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 02:09 PM   #32
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The US government is systematically removing our rights. Their motive is to have absolute control over the people. By reducing our rights to privacy, to own guns, to congregate, to keep a check on our very government itself, they are making it less likely that the average US citizens can keep the government itself under our control. They have dumbed down our educational system to the point that only people that take the time to study independently actually understand how government works. You can't control what you don't understand. By increasing social welfare programs, they effectively increase the number of people that blindly support the government. All they care is that they get the monthly ration of free shit. They just continue to vote these people in to office during every election.
How's that tin foil hat feeling?
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http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c200..._20081010.html


good article on the "wasted vote" theory
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 02:25 PM   #34
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How's that tin foil hat feeling?
Comfy.

Can you honestly say that the government isn't intentionally takng our rights away from us through whatever means they see fit? The sad part is that the majority of US citizens simply don't care.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 02:30 PM   #35
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Good thread here. I'm casting my vote for Barr, because we need to include some new thought into the realm of our political process. This "new thought" is actually based in history though. Bob and the Libertarian party best represent my thoughts on what the constitution means, and how I feel it should be enacted.

When a significant number of votes are cast for a third party candidate, they will get access to the same campaign financing that Mr. McCain is receiving. I can't find that number though. I think its 10% of the popular vote. Can anyone help me out with that number? Preferably with a link?

I think that when a candidate gains that access, they will get access to the media. I can't see how else we are going to get another party involved.

By the way, did you know that Clint Eastwood is a Libertarian? While I don't think he would be a good candidate, I think he could be a hell of a good spokesman.
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There are lot of interesting people that have declared themselves to be Libertarian. Other than me that is.
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Based on some more reading, it looks like I was wrong about the 10%. Does anyone have any info on this?
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That's what I was just reading.
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There are lot of interesting people that have declared themselves to be Libertarian. Other than me that is.
How about FOUR nobel prize winners for economics? Including Milton Friedman
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