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Old October 21st, 2008, 09:44 AM   #21
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Haha to say that Christianity holds women down is someone who hs never read the bible or studied ancient Hebrew/Roman/Arab times. Women were all but considered property back then. Christ was the first to say that women were saints with men and that women were to be "loved by their husbands the way Christ loved the church". They were made equals with men at a time when that was incomprehendable. Do some unbiased research with an open mind and I'm sure you will be pleasantly surprised.
well the churches certainly didn't share that sentiment during the women's suffrage movement.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0700/...0701_0113.html

"And a minister from Ponca, Nebraska quoted scripture and said that God simply forgot to list one more commandment women shall not vote."
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Old October 21st, 2008, 09:45 AM   #22
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well actually you can give more credit to people who didn't lend any credence to the dogma at all...

who was an atheist. I don't blame her, how can you believe in dogma that is holding you back as a person. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 09:49 AM   #23
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well the churches certainly didn't share that sentiment during the women's suffrage movement.

http://www.nebraskastudies.org/0700/...0701_0113.html

"And a minister from Ponca, Nebraska quoted scripture and said that God simply forgot to list one more commandment women shall not vote."
Well if a minister from Nebraska said it, it must be what all Christians in the world believe!!!

I could give you a million different quotes from "churches" all over the place with politics and ideas. In reality all we can do is go by what the Bible says and the historical context in which is was written.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 10:27 AM   #24
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Well if a minister from Nebraska said it, it must be what all Christians in the world believe!!!

I could give you a million different quotes from "churches" all over the place with politics and ideas. In reality all we can do is go by what the Bible says and the historical context in which is was written.
well, yes, it would truly be a miracle if you could show me two believers who believed the same thing.

I think you'll find that a majority of the churches were against the suffrage movement. Those people obviously didn't interpret the bible correctly.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 11:54 AM   #25
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well, yes, it would truly be a miracle if you could show me two believers who believed the same thing.

I think you'll find that a majority of the churches were against the suffrage movement. Those people obviously didn't interpret the bible correctly.
Anyone who is a Christian believes the same core beliefs that Christ was God, died and rose again and belief in Him leads to salvation.

The Bible doesn't once refer to women's rights to vote in democratic elections, so there is nothing to interpret incorrectly But I would still disagree with you that all churches were against it. Im sure many were and many weren't.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:09 PM   #26
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Mike,

What have Christians done to you to make you hate us as much as you do? Look at the guys that are always arguing with you, prime example SteveO, and then look at the stand up humans that are on Christ side . . . .if that doesn't spread some perspective then I don't know what to tell you.

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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:23 PM   #27
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Mike,

What have Christians done to you to make you hate us as much as you do? Look at the guys that are always arguing with you, prime example SteveO, and then look at the stand up humans that are on Christ side . . . .if that doesn't spread some perspective then I don't know what to tell you.

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He won't ever answer that question. For one, it would imply he has an unbiased view at the discussion and is genuinely, and sincerely attempting to enlighten, lead and cure us delusional Christians of what ails us...

When the preponderance of what he posts is accusatory, inflammatory, and/or attempts to belittle anyone who thinks differently than he does (or those that are spoon feeding him)

I will neuter his rebuttal by admitting that over the eons, that many have done so basically the same thing in the name of Christian faith as well.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:26 PM   #28
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so it can be taken literally then, women shouldn't speak in church. thanks.
If they are being disruptive, as they were in the churches in the city of Corinth to which the Apostle Paul wrote, yes.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:30 PM   #29
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Anyone who is a Christian believes the same core beliefs that Christ was God, died and rose again and belief in Him leads to salvation.

The Bible doesn't once refer to women's rights to vote in democratic elections, so there is nothing to interpret incorrectly But I would still disagree with you that all churches were against it. Im sure many were and many weren't.
I didn't say all, I said a majority. I know not all were against it, like the Quakers.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:34 PM   #30
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Mike,

What have Christians done to you to make you hate us as much as you do? Look at the guys that are always arguing with you, prime example SteveO, and then look at the stand up humans that are on Christ side . . . .if that doesn't spread some perspective then I don't know what to tell you.

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I don't hate Christians, for example, I am friends with you and marrying Jess. If I hated Christians I would hate most of my family and friends. why would you even say that? I just think and said that progressive non-christians had a lot more to do with challenging the popular beliefs about women and are more responsible for the ways that we are today. I don't think that the christian people would have been as fervent. Who said anything about Hate? seriously.
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I didn't say all, I said a majority. I know not all were against it, like the Quakers.
source data for term "majority" - or is this an unscientific impression formed from your bias?

just curious.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:36 PM   #32
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Well if a minister from Nebraska said it, it must be what all Christians in the world believe!!!
I have seen Mike do that before, along with denying documented history and such, get used to it!
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well, yes, it would truly be a miracle if you could show me two believers who believed the same thing.

Those people obviously didn't interpret the bible correctly.
I agree with 87YJ with everything he said in this thread. Myth busted & miracle experienced.

Many people suck at interpreting the Bible, but ignorance is not bliss. You have to realize that as an Apostle, Paul lead many churches that he started, he was a traveling missionary, and God used him in mighty mighty ways. He addressed whatever problems each church had. So while he said specific things to specific churches, they still apply to all Christendom. So if there were some crazy women at my church, it would be more than appropriate for the Pastor to ask them NOT to speak during an organized gathering and to stop disrupting the service.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 12:56 PM   #34
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I don't hate Christians, for example, I am friends with you and marrying Jess. If I hated Christians I would hate most of my family and friends. why would you even say that? I just think and said that progressive non-christians had a lot more to do with challenging the popular beliefs about women and are more responsible for the ways that we are today. I don't think that the christian people would have been as fervent. Who said anything about Hate? seriously.
Just the context of hate that are in your words. Similar to your word on and homophobes. They have the context of hate in them.
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Just the context of hate that are in your words. Similar to your word on and homophobes. They have the context of hate in them.
what is a context of hate? I think you're pulling that phrase out of your ass.
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what is a context of hate? I think you're pulling that phrase out of your ass.


are you seriously asking what a "context of hate" is, or asking him to point out the countless times one could easily infer the near psychopathic distaste you seemingly have for Christian faith?

Aren't there some hindu's, buddists, pacifist muslims, native american's, or druids you could be harassing?
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are you seriously asking what a "context of hate" is, or asking him to point out the countless times one could easily infer the near psychopathic distaste you seemingly have for Christian faith?

Aren't there some hindu's, buddists, pacifist muslims, native american's, or druids you could be harassing?
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Old October 21st, 2008, 02:34 PM   #38
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what is a context of hate? I think you're pulling that phrase out of your ass.
You'll be pulling things out of your ass as you burn in hell, non-believer
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are you seriously asking what a "context of hate" is, or asking him to point out the countless times one could easily infer the near psychopathic distaste you seemingly have for Christian faith?

Aren't there some hindu's, buddists, pacifist muslims, native american's, or druids you could be harassing?
where is the hate in this thread? I asked a question of the apologists about a bible verse, i wanted to make sure that it was one of the literal verses and not one that is supposed to be symbolic and explained away some other way.
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I like the new ryebread, he is fiesty!!!

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Make no mistake, I am a very poor role model to follow. I do not spend enough time in the word, my walk has been extremely bumpy, hilly, curvy, and in fact into the wilderness and off the proper path. Add to it, that I have not been on the walk for very long at all, and it took me a long time crashing through the woods to even recognize there was a path.

I do know however, that when my walk is following the principals laid out by the Man, that everything tends to fall in line much more peacefully. My marriage is healthier, my kids less chaotic, and I submit less often to my will, and instead try to look out for and serve others. Ironically, it is during those times that I have been happier than when I cave into the will of the flesh. Go figure.

Mike may in fact have his very own private reasons why he harbors distaste for Christians, and in fact they may be rooted in the amount of perceived hypocrisy that is seen/correlated to countless Christian Churches throughout the eons, and obviously very publicly aired in the mainstream media.

What saddens me, is that so many mainstream denominations have gotten away from core Christian beliefs, and instead concentrate so much effort into their organizational dysfunctions, power mongering, or committee meetings on what color the carpet should be in their sanctuary, or which name to put at the top of the donor plaque that get will be affixed to the latest addition to the building.
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