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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:00 AM   #1
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Do you support a national id card?

There are lots of pros & cons.

This voter registration thing pisses me off. It seems like there should be a simple solution.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:02 AM   #2
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its called a passport.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:04 AM   #3
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its called a passport.
We should have implanted micro chips.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:08 AM   #4
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its called a passport.
But passports aren't REQUIRED, you just can't travel outside the U.S. without one. I think he's talking about a mandatory national I.D. card, which would be a Social Security Card...

I'm conflicted on this one myself. I think it would be a LOT easier if there were a system, but also think that identity theft is bad enough as it is. Would it be linked to your drivers license also? You couldn't just get a license in another state when yours gets yanked for DUI then!

How about your banking accounts? You won't be able to register your car out of state in order to get welfare benefits even though you actually make $10 more than they allow...

It's a thin line. Both pros and cons. Am I worried that 'big brother' will be watching my every move? Not at all...they do that already.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:14 AM   #5
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if it means a stop to illegal immigrants taking my money, then yes, I'm all for it.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:17 AM   #6
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Passport, maybe have endorsements on it though.

Really we should just combine and nationalize passports and Drivers Licenses.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:20 AM   #7
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we have one its just not called that.

Ever try to get anywhere without a Drivers License.

Part of the question should be what does a DL mean. Does it mean that you are qualified to operate a motor vehicle or is it a valid form of ID?
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #8
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I think it's a great idea, can I suggest this design:



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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #9
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A drivers license does not prove citizenship .

I think a national Id is a good Idea and they should also be color coded for example

dayglo orange for non citizens
dayglo orange with a vertical red stripe for non citizens who cant speak english

These should be larger than a normal pocket so a lanyard around the neck would be needed to be visible at all times.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #10
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A drivers license does not prove citizenship .

I think a national Id is a good Idea and they should also be color coded for example

dayglo orange for non citizens
dayglo orange with a vertical red stripe for non citizens who cant speak english

These should be larger than a normal pocket so a lanyard around the neck would be needed to be visible at all times.
Can we also have one with a star of David on it and says "Jude" or just "Jew"?
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:36 AM   #11
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Do you support a national id card?

There are lots of pros & cons.

This voter registration thing pisses me off. It seems like there should be a simple solution.
no, because it's the mark of the beast...
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:45 AM   #12
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also we should have gated barbed wire stations between states with some sort of Oegapo (obama's version of the gestapo, look for it if he gets elected) inhibiting our state to state travel. yes, please let's have more government telling us what we can and cannot do.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #13
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Can we also have one with a star of David on it and says "Jude" or just "Jew"?
It has nothing to do with religion, it does however have a lot to do with citizenship. I do not care if you are a Jew, a baptist or whatever as long as you are or become a citizen of the USA.

America is the land of opportunity and people should "Join the club" to prosper from it not just be a guest visitor and take all the treats home with them.
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It has nothing to do with religion, it does however have a lot to do with citizenship. I do not care if you are a Jew, a baptist or whatever as long as you are or become a citizen of the USA.

America is the land of opportunity and people should "Join the club" to prosper from it not just be a guest visitor and take all the treats home with them.
Sure it does, or rather with their allegiance to US, as some Jews hold dual citizenship (although it's not technically allowed).
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Old October 16th, 2008, 12:25 PM   #15
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social security card = id card
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Old October 16th, 2008, 01:10 PM   #16
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I can't see one negative to them. With as much technology as we have these days, there is no reason it all can't be tied together. There is also no reason one state to another has no clue who you are, and that "illegals" can get away with much of anything. This has nothing to do with freedom, it has to do with safety, records and money.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 02:23 PM   #18
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Why Fear National ID Cards? By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ Published: October 13, 2001
At many bridges and tunnels across the country, drivers avoid long delays at the toll booths with an unobtrusive device that fits on a car's dashboard. Instead of fumbling for change, they drive right through; the device sends a radio signal that records their passage. They are billed later. It's a tradeoff between privacy and convenience: the toll-takers know more about you -- when you entered and left Manhattan, for instance -- but you save time and money.

An optional national identity card could be used in a similar way, offering a similar kind of tradeoff: a little less anonymity for a lot more security. Anyone who had the card could be allowed to pass through airports or building security more expeditiously, and anyone who opted out could be examined much more closely.

As a civil libertarian, I am instinctively skeptical of such tradeoffs. But I support a national identity card with a chip that can match the holder's fingerprint. It could be an effective tool for preventing terrorism, reducing the need for other law-enforcement mechanisms -- especially racial and ethnic profiling -- that pose even greater dangers to civil liberties.

I can hear the objections: What about the specter of Big Brother? What about fears of identity cards leading to more intrusive measures? (The National Rifle Association, for example, worries that a government that registered people might also decide to register guns.) What about fears that such cards would lead to increased deportation of illegal immigrants?

First, we already require photo ID's for many activities, including flying, driving, drinking and check-cashing. And fingerprints differ from photographs only in that they are harder to fake. The vast majority of Americans routinely carry photo ID's in their wallets and pocketbooks. These ID's are issued by state motor vehicle bureaus and other public and private entities. A national card would be uniform and difficult to forge or alter. It would reduce the likelihood that someone could, intentionally or not, get lost in the cracks of multiple bureaucracies.

The fear of an intrusive government can be addressed by setting criteria for any official who demands to see the card. Even without a national card, people are always being asked to show identification. The existence of a national card need not change the rules about when ID can properly be demanded. It is true that the card would facilitate the deportation of illegal immigrants. But President Bush has proposed giving legal status to many of the illegal immigrants now in this country. And legal immigrants would actually benefit from a national ID card that could demonstrate their status to government officials.

Finally, there is the question of the right to anonymity. I don't believe we can afford to recognize such a right in this age of terrorism. No such right is hinted at in the Constitution. And though the Supreme Court has identified a right to privacy, privacy and anonymity are not the same. American taxpayers, voters and drivers long ago gave up any right of anonymity without loss of our right to engage in lawful conduct within zones of privacy. Rights are a function of experience, and our recent experiences teach that it is far too easy to be anonymous -- even to create a false identity -- in this large and decentralized country. A national ID card would not prevent all threats of terrorism, but it would make it more difficult for potential terrorists to hide in open view, as many of the Sept. 11 hijackers apparently managed to do.

A national ID card could actually enhance civil liberties by reducing the need for racial and ethnic stereotyping. There would be no excuse for hassling someone merely because he belongs to a particular racial or ethnic group if he presented a card that matched his print and that permitted his name to be checked instantly against the kind of computerized criminal-history retrieval systems that are already in use. (If there is too much personal information in the system, or if the information is being used improperly, that is a separate issue. The only information the card need contain is name, address, photo and print.)

From a civil liberties perspective, I prefer a system that takes a little bit of freedom from all to one that takes a great deal of freedom and dignity from the few -- especially since those few are usually from a racially or ethnically disfavored group. A national ID card would be much more effective in preventing terrorism than profiling millions of men simply because of their appearance.

Alan M. Dershowitz, a law professor at Harvard, is author, most recently, of ''Letters to a Young Lawyer.''
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Wow, now that's a real authority figure. I can't stand that ahole. I like the way Alan Keys destroyed him in a debate.
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Sure it does, or rather with their allegiance to US, as some Jews hold dual citizenship (although it's not technically allowed).
You do not have an allegiance to the US. ?
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