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Old October 14th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #1
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well i was looking at the summit brand cam and lifter kit. any ideas its cheaper than the rest. i dont mind paying for a good cam. just wondering what these ran like.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #2
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What's it going in? What compression? what heads? You do get what you pay for especially with cams. Lunati seems to be doing well with the new Voodoo line with very few cams failing.
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Old October 14th, 2008, 09:10 PM   #3
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Camshaft Machine Company (CMC) located in Jackson, Michigan was established in 1942 and is probably the largest designer and manufacturer of automotive camshafts in the world. CMC produces cams for GM, Ford, Chrysler, Comp Cams, Lunati, Edlebrock, Crane, Wolverine and many others.

Most (but not all) of the automotive camshafts produced today are produced at one of the “Big Three” cam manufacturers all located in Michigan. CMC of Jackson, MI., Engine Power Components (EPC) of Muskegon, MI., and Waver Bartel Cam Company, of Grand Haven, MI.

CMC purchased Wolverine approximately 1990/1991.

Crane Cams purchased CMC around 1995 and Wolverine was included in this purchase. During this period Crane owned both Wolverine and CMC.

Crane sold CMC to Federal Mogul about April or May of 1999. Crane did not sell Wolverine to Federal Mogul and Crane still owns Wolverine. Federal Mogul also owns the Waver Martel Cam Company.

CMC was the OEM supplier for most of the muscle car cams for GM, Ford, Chrysler and others back in the muscle car era. This included the infamous 9779067, 9779068, 9779041 etc. CMC currently supplies many cams to the OEM manufacturers and holds copyrights for many OEM grinds. If you purchase a Pontiac “original” muscle car grind like the 068 for an example, no matter whom you purchase it from it will be made by CMC.

Another interesting tid bit is that some time prior to 1990 when Crane and Wolverine were competitors Crane developed their own version of the Pontiac 9779068 (and maybe others) but advertised it as a computer enhanced version and not an exact duplicate. The reason that Crane did not produce an exact duplicate is because CMC still holds copyrights to this cam and many others.

Wolverine does not have their own cam grinding shop. CMC supplies most of the grinds to Wolverine. Crane also grinds some of Wolverine cams.

Even though Crane has their own cam grinding shop CMC still grinds some of the cams sold under the Crane name. Crane currently has the contract for the Summit brand cams. Crane also grinds some cams sold under the Wolverine name. Those Summit cams could be produced by CMC or Crane, hence the rumored Wolverine Summit connection.

It has been rumored that Crane makes all Wolverine Cams and this is not true. Most of the cams sold under the Wolverine name are produced by CMC. It is true that a small percentage of cams sold under the Wolverine name are produced at the Crane manufacturing facility. To complicate things further it seems that certain grinds could be purchased under the Crane or Wolverine name that are the exact same grind, and CMC or Crane depending on the grind could have produced the cam.

It’s interesting that most people have not heard of CMC, EPC, or Waver Bartel even though they have been around for a very long time, longer than a lot of us have.

Not much will change now that Federal Mogul owns CMC. They will still produce the same cams and will pretty much supply them to the same customers sold under various nameplates. Federal Mogul recently acquired the TRW automotive products division also. The infamous TRW forged pistons are still produced at the same factory as when they were owned by TRW. Federal mogul also now owns seal Power. Federal Mogul also purchased the Clevite Bearing company. This gave Federal Mogul an almost airtight grip on the automotive bearing industry. This created an unfair marketing advantage and the Federal trade Commission (FTC) required Federal Mogul to sell Clevite, which they have done.

So the next time you buy your new Comp Cams, Lunati, Ultradyne, Iskenderian, Engle, or other cam there is a good chance it was actually made in Michigan at one of the top three cam makers. What the cam companies do is have their proprietary grinds (design, lob profile etc.) and have them ground by one of the big three. Very few cams are actually ground by a name brand cam company, Crane is one exception but they don’t grind all of theirs either.
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I see no mention of Elgin cams, What's the word?
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I see no mention of Elgin cams, What's the word?

Custom cam grinder. Lots of them out there. Smaller shops that focus on the one offs and their own small lines. Same as Herbert, LSM etc. etc.
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All of CRANE's holdings have been sold to Micronite Corporation.
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well its goin in a 400 in a 77 f150 4barrel intake and 4 barrel carb. long tubes, msd thats about it. everything else stock.
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The trick here is getting a camshaft with a bunch of torque but, have enough duration and overlap to avoid detonation while under a heavy load.

ELGIN has a good one which works #E-1155-P ; Single pattern - 284° off the seat - 208°@.050" - .484" valve lift - 111° seperation; 107° intake centerline

www.elginind.com
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Happy to help, Let us know how you like it!
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it will be a few weeks before i can buy something real expensive since ill do a water pump and timing set. i just did the exaust and got the ignition. still need to hook that up. but i definetly think that sounds like a good way to go. will it have a good idle sound to it?
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That cam works great and will smoke a set of 35's with factory 3.55 gears/C6. It will have a noticible lope but nothing too radical. I believe the last one I bought was $119 for the cam and lifters.

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I have tried the Crower Baja beast cam in a few engines fron 327-400ci and was very happy. Albeit never in a Ford, only Chevy engines.
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