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Old October 10th, 2008, 06:36 AM   #1
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Why Even Vote At All !!!!!

I don't lie, cheat or steel. I don't see those traits in either candidate or the political process. I'm uniformed in the fringe elections and will not vote for a candidate I know nothing about. You cannot get acquainted to the people running because the just say what most people want to hear and when they get elected are going to do what ever is good for themselves not us. Might as well hang in the barn and build a Jeep. I can't effect any real change unless I run and I won’t get elected because I wont say what people want to hear.


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Old October 10th, 2008, 06:58 AM   #2
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If I don't vote I don't have the right to bitch about the guy in office. Therefore I vote.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 07:00 AM   #3
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Old October 10th, 2008, 07:02 AM   #4
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I just try to pick the lesser of 2 evils....IMHO in this case that would be McCain....

I base that opinion on Obama's past...his pastor/mentor....his father (parents instill your life long morals)....where he was raised....etc.

Its funny to me because both candidates talk about the stuff the other wants to do, and how it will hurt the country, and that what they want to do will help....
whatever they try to do, it still has to get past congress, so this crap about taxing healthcare benefits by mccain I dont think will ever happen.

Just like a few years ago when our state wanted to put a limit on welfare recipients, and moley veto'd it....when she comes up with something that the people/congress dont like its not passed either....
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Old October 10th, 2008, 07:03 AM   #5
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You vote so your voice is heard. Your one voice may not sound like much, but combined with all the other voices saying the same thing can be very loud. If you don't vote you've said nothing.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:26 AM   #6
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If I don't vote I don't have the right to bitch about the guy in office. Therefore I vote.
AMEN to that one !!!
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:39 AM   #7
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The problem is your vote doesn't go towards the candidate you chose...It goes to the electoral's of your state so sway them towards your choice. And in their case the can still choose whoever they want to regardless of your opinion.

:edit: But by all means vote, dont get me wrong I agree with whiterhino on that. At least try to make a difference instead of standing back and letting someone else make the decision for you.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #8
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The problem is your vote doesn't go towards the candidate you chose...It goes to the electoral's of your state so sway them towards your choice. And in their case the can still choose whoever they want to regardless of your opinion.

:edit: But by all means vote, dont get me wrong I agree with whiterhino on that. At least try to make a difference instead of standing back and letting someone else make the decision for you.
Maybe you need to read the Constitution again. You are aware that we live in a Republic not a Democracy right?

Here, Ron Paul will explain it all to you......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul214.html


Today’s presidential election is likely to be relatively close, at least in terms of popular vote totals. Should either candidate win the election but lose the overall popular vote, we will be bombarded with calls to abolish the Electoral College, just as we were after the contested 2000 presidential election. After all, the pundits will argue, it would be “undemocratic” to deny the presidency to the man who received the most votes.

This argument is hostile to the Constitution, however, which expressly established the United States as a constitutionally limited republic and not a direct democracy. The Founding Fathers sought to protect certain fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of speech, against the changing whims of popular opinion. Similarly, they created the Electoral College to guard against majority tyranny in federal elections. The president was to be elected by the 50 states rather than the American people directly, to ensure that less populated states had a voice in national elections. This is why they blended Electoral College votes between U.S. House seats, which are based on population, and U.S. Senate seats, which are accorded equally to each state. The goal was to balance the inherent tension between majority will and majority tyranny. Those who wish to abolish the Electoral College because it’s not purely democratic should also argue that less populated states like Rhode Island or Wyoming don’t deserve two senators.

A presidential campaign in a purely democratic system would look very strange indeed, as any rational candidate would focus only on a few big population centers. A candidate receiving a large percentage of the popular vote in California, Texas, Florida, and New York, for example, could win the presidency with very little support in dozens of other states. Moreover, a popular vote system would only intensify political pandering, as national candidates would face even greater pressure than today to take empty, middle-of-the-road, poll-tested, mainstream positions. Direct democracy in national politics would further dilute regional differences of opinion on issues, further narrow voter choices, and further emasculate political courage.

Those who call for the abolition of the Electoral College are hostile to liberty. Not surprisingly, most advocates of abolition are statist elites concentrated largely on the east and west coasts. These political, economic, academic, media, and legal elites overwhelmingly favor a strong centralized federal government, and express contempt for the federalist concept of states’ rights. They believe in omnipotent federal power, with states acting as mere glorified federal counties carrying out commands from Washington.

The Electoral College threatens the imperial aims of these elites because it allows the individual states to elect the president, and in many states the majority of voters still believe in limited government and the Constitution. Voters in southern, midwestern, and western states – derided as “flyover” country – tend to value family, religion, individual liberty, property rights, and gun rights. Washington elites abhor these values, and they hate that middle and rural America hold any political power whatsoever. Their efforts to discredit the Electoral College system are an open attack on the voting power of the pro-liberty states.

Sadly, we have forgotten that states created the federal government, not the other way around. The Electoral College system represents an attempt, however effective, to limit federal power and preserve states’ rights. It is an essential part of our federalist balance. It also represents a reminder that pure democracy, mob rule, is incompatible with liberty.

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Old October 10th, 2008, 02:10 PM   #9
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you need to vote so that you voice your opinion. it doesn't matter who you vote for, but that you vote. I once felt so disgusted of the offerings I did not vote. I also did not bitch. I got more disgusted at the no right to bitch that I felt I needed to get back to voting.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 03:00 PM   #10
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It's like throwing one staw wrapper out the window. Sure, that one wrapper doesn't do anything too devistating, but if everyone did it the streets would look like shit. We all have to do our part.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #11
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i vote so that i can say that i at least made an effort to make a difference.
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Old October 15th, 2008, 12:55 PM   #12
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I just try to pick the lesser of 2 evils....
x2 you will never find a candidate you will like completely, you just need to find who has more views on how things should be that matches yours.
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Old October 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM   #13
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if you dont vote move to canada it is your soical responsibility to vote and be a working member of society if you cant do that than do we really need you as a citizen just somthing to think about
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Old October 15th, 2008, 01:02 PM   #14
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Dont vote for the one you hate the least.... vote against the one you hate the most.

You can still vote independant, you can vote for a third party, you can vote bader.... hell, you can write someone in if you want... hell, you could still write in Ron Paul.

Just dont get the attitude of "my vote doesnt count" or worse, "he isnt gonna win anyway, so why should i vote for him"

but please... please....get out there and vote.
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Old October 15th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #15
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Ted Nugent for Pres.

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Old October 15th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #16
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It's like throwing one staw wrapper out the window. Sure, that one wrapper doesn't do anything too devistating, but if everyone did it the streets would look like shit. We all have to do our part.
I threw a straw wrapper out the window for you today.
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Old October 15th, 2008, 05:55 PM   #17
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I don't lie, cheat or steel. I don't see those traits in either candidate or the political process. I'm uniformed in the fringe elections and will not vote for a candidate I know nothing about. You cannot get acquainted to the people running because the just say what most people want to hear and when they get elected are going to do what ever is good for themselves not us. Might as well hang in the barn and build a Jeep. I can't effect any real change unless I run and I won’t get elected because I wont say what people want to hear.


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Osama Binladen thanks you for your non vote.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 08:13 PM   #18
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I was sold on Ron Paul last Summer . . . I'm more impressed with him every time I read something.

He's getting written on my ballot it big black letters. I don't know enough about the local Iowa politics to vote one way or another locally, and I don't believe that my uneducated vote should be cast.

Anyway, I don't think I can have a good conscience about voting for Sen. McCain . . . he's just as socialist as the average Dem . . . blech.
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Old October 16th, 2008, 08:26 PM   #19
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You know you can move to a country were you don't have the right to vote, then your voting problem will be solved
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Old October 16th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #20
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You cannot get acquainted to the people running because the just say what most people want to hear and when they get elected are going to do what ever is good for themselves not us.
Welcome to career politics. I've come to accept the fact that with a government of this size 'working for' (isn't that how its supposed to go) a nation of this size it's pretty much impossible to reach the upper level of politics without kissing so much ass your teeth turn brown.
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