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Old October 8th, 2008, 05:18 AM   #21
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Why does there have to be a government answer?
Why can't there be a sporting answer?
It's the urban mindset.
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The soccer moms and Prius pilots would be horrified to learn that somebody "enjoyed" or "benefited" from the deer herd cull.

When they do the Metroparks, the deer have to be disposed of - not even sent to homeless groups - to ensure that nobody benefits from the tragedy...
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Old October 8th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #22
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I know lets set up a round table discussion, appoint a committy and over a cup of coffee maybe we can persuade the deer to leave their lush food area for some place further north.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 08:25 AM   #23
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Says right in article NO COST TO CITY. Kinda like extra training for the cops.
Yep, because you never know when the city will be overrun by ravenous, man-eating deer.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 08:27 AM   #24
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BTW, the DNR has reported an overpopulation of deer out near me (a friend's farm) of 100 deer per square mile.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 10:33 AM   #25
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BTW, the DNR has reported an overpopulation of deer out near me (a friend's farm) of 100 deer per square mile.
that is insane. the DNR is fucking up big time on this.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 11:34 AM   #26
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BTW, the DNR has reported an overpopulation of deer out near me (a friend's farm) of 100 deer per square mile.

Address please.

I'll be there Saturday about 0600...
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Old October 8th, 2008, 02:23 PM   #27
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Considering the economy they had better save that meat and distribute to the masses.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 08:17 AM   #28
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Rochester Hills = relatively dense urban population with more and more subdivisions popping up every year.

Deer = In an urban situation they have limited range. So the deer at OU are unlikely to migrate from the Livernois and Tienken area. The shooters have to go to them.

Police/Sherriff Snipers = Professional marksmen. Set up in predetermined areas at predetermined times. Shooting corridors established with human safety in mind. Very controlled situation. 1 shot, 1 kill is all but guaranteed. No cost to the city. Live target practice for the snipers. Meat to food banks. Win - win - win.

Hunters/Sportsmen = No gurantees on the abilities or sense of responsibilities they will represent. In this very urban area there will have to be very strong oversight to protect the populace. A bow hunt is more likely to cause non instantaneous deaths. One of the concerns is wounded deer making their way to roads, backyards, school area. Not everybody is comfortable seeing this in an urban setting.


Considering the make up of Rochester Hills I see this as a very viable solution.

Now, when they need to cull the herd in a park setting like Stoney Creek, or Kensington, etc., count me in. Hunters and the general populace can be kept apart in that kind of situation.
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Police/Sherriff Snipers = Professional marksmen. Set up in predetermined areas at predetermined times. Shooting corridors established with human safety in mind. Very controlled situation. 1 shot, 1 kill is all but guaranteed. No cost to the city. Live target practice for the snipers. Meat to food banks. Win - win - win.

Hunters/Sportsmen = No gurantees on the abilities or sense of responsibilities they will represent. In this very urban area there will have to be very strong oversight to protect the populace. A bow hunt is more likely to cause non instantaneous deaths. One of the concerns is wounded deer making their way to roads, backyards, school area. Not everybody is comfortable seeing this in an urban setting.
i only shoot a deer if i am sure of killing it with one shot. i use the same calibers the police snipers use fired out of the same gun. i set up my shooting lanes in regards to roads, homes etc. not every hunter is like this, i know many who are not. the thrill of the hunt is second to the satisfaction of a clean kill.
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i only shoot a deer if i am sure of killing it with one shot. i use the same calibers the police snipers use fired out of the same gun. i set up my shooting lanes in regards to roads, homes etc. not every hunter is like this, i know many who are not. the thrill of the hunt is second to the satisfaction of a clean kill.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #31
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Rochester Hills = relatively dense urban population with more and more subdivisions popping up every year.

Deer = In an urban situation they have limited range. So the deer at OU are unlikely to migrate from the Livernois and Tienken area. The shooters have to go to them.

Police/Sherriff Snipers = Professional marksmen. Set up in predetermined areas at predetermined times. Shooting corridors established with human safety in mind. Very controlled situation. 1 shot, 1 kill is all but guaranteed. No cost to the city. Live target practice for the snipers. Meat to food banks. Win - win - win.

Hunters/Sportsmen = No gurantees on the abilities or sense of responsibilities they will represent. In this very urban area there will have to be very strong oversight to protect the populace. A bow hunt is more likely to cause non instantaneous deaths. One of the concerns is wounded deer making their way to roads, backyards, school area. Not everybody is comfortable seeing this in an urban setting.


Considering the make up of Rochester Hills I see this as a very viable solution.

Now, when they need to cull the herd in a park setting like Stoney Creek, or Kensington, etc., count me in. Hunters and the general populace can be kept apart in that kind of situation.
its a lot safer to allow bow hunters shoot the deer since arrow shot into the air wont even travel a fraction of the distansce as a rifle cartrige shot flat and fyi me as huter i have never had to chase a deer and have followed very strict saftey practices.

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Old October 9th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #32
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that is insane. the DNR is fucking up big time on this.
data skew the way they count deer is they walk threw the woods for 1 chain(unit of measure in forestry) and count the number of deer piles then they have a mathmatical formula that gives them the number of deer per square mile now if there is a unskilled data technician it is know for them to unknowingly skew the data due to the chain they survey but5 some farm areas due have an excessive number of deer hence the cause of spread of tb cwd and other noises in the population just a thought

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Old October 9th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #33
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deer get caught in the soccer nets at OU, my buddy who is a cop there, has had to kill 2 of them with his hand gun....
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Old October 9th, 2008, 12:20 PM   #34
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Why does there have to be a government answer?
Why can't there be a sporting answer?
It's the urban mindset.
No, its liability.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #35
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No, its liability.
Governments absolve themselves of every other liability, it's about political correctness.

get your meat the old fashioned way, Kroger.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 12:51 PM   #36
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Governments absolve themselves of every other liability, it's about political correctness.

get your meat the old fashioned way, Kroger.
No, its about making sure that some random, possibly untrained clown with a permit and a high-powered rifle does not shoot a civilian (or a kid) while trying to kill deer within a populated, possibly residential area.

Its not a matter of allowing humans to hunt because they need the food to survive. Its also about intelligence and responsibility. Allowing the public to do something like this would be sheer stupidity.
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Old October 9th, 2008, 01:14 PM   #37
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No, its about making sure that some random, possibly untrained clown with a permit and a high-powered rifle does not shoot a civilian (or a kid) while trying to kill deer within a populated, possibly residential area.

Its not a matter of allowing humans to hunt because they need the food to survive. Its also about intelligence and responsibility. Allowing the public to do something like this would be sheer stupidity.
I thought that was covered with the shotgun only zone?
But that is what they said about "shall issue CPL". "Blood would be running in the streets".
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Where do shotguns come into play in this article/scenario?

I think part of the problem with this discussion is that people are attempting to draw parallels to unrelated issues.
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doesn't DNR require a shotgun to hunt deer for for the southern half of the LP?
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Old October 9th, 2008, 02:02 PM   #40
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Well, as much as I hate to admit it, I agree 100% with PeteC. I don't see it as a safe condition to open it up to the general public.

There was a slightly different scenario a few years back at Kensington metro park. They wanted to pay professionals to shoot the deer. Ted Nugent was trying to get them to open up a special hunting season for handicapped people (as in wheel chairs) where the hunters would PAY for special hunting permits. This would be a win-win for everyone. The park would get rid of the deer and make a profit. The handicapped hunters would have the opportunity to shoot deer in an environment where they could get out in the field. The park system didn't want to do it. I never heard how it played out.
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