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Old October 3rd, 2008, 06:17 AM   #61
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wtf with the palin haters. you have a govenor going against a corrupt career politician. at least I can relate to palin. I never had nor never will have any parallel with biden. dumbfuck said himself he doesn't know why osama picked him. I thought palin did a great job. she is personable and doesn't talk down to people and blather on about numbers that may or may not be true. everyone wants change until it comes. people always say we need real people not lifetime politicians. we finally get one and now people are calling her a failure. move to france.
x2 well said. Who in their right mind would expect her to be as polished as Biden? I found it interesting the amount of foreign issue questions when that has been Biden's speciality. Was there a slant in the questions that would lean towards him having the more informed answers? I think so.
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wtf with the palin haters. you have a govenor going against a corrupt career politician. at least I can relate to palin. I never had nor never will have any parallel with biden. dumbfuck said himself he doesn't know why osama picked him. I thought palin did a great job. she is personable and doesn't talk down to people and blather on about numbers that may or may not be true. everyone wants change until it comes. people always say we need real people not lifetime politicians. we finally get one and now people are calling her a failure. move to france.

She couldn't answer a god damned question without getting hammered ny Biden. I posted a link to the transcript on page 2, highlight some points she made that were positive and did not get shot down. You also say that she doesn't throw out numbers that may or may ont be true. Like when she said that Obama voted 94 times to raise taxes and Biden came right back and said that by her numbers, McCain voted the same way over 400 times.
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I wasn't impressed with Palin. I was impressed with Biden.

I'm still voting for Sarahbear, BUT I didn't like a few things.

First of all, quoteth steveo: "Since when did 'profits' become greed."

Secondly, How is it the lender's fault that buyers bought bigger houses than they could afford???

Thirdly, I'm sick of the excuses. "Who in their right mind would expect her to be as polished as Biden?" you ask? Maybe someone who thinks that they're competing for the same job. If I had to hire two people, I wouldn't pick a guy that speaks/acts/dresses 'hood' over a guy who is polished in his appearance and language simply because 'the first guy was born in the hood, so I wouldn't expect him to be any better...'

Forth, and finally for now (because I need some coffee). I am so glad that Biden busted Palin's ovaries about the "Mavrick" thing. That was pissin' me off.
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Thirdly, I'm sick of the excuses. "Who in their right mind would expect her to be as polished as Biden?" you ask? Maybe someone who thinks that they're competing for the same job. If I had to hire two people, I wouldn't pick a guy that speaks/acts/dresses 'hood' over a guy who is polished in his appearance and language simply because 'the first guy was born in the hood, so I wouldn't expect him to be any better...'
well, your forced to hire said hood rat due to bullshit laws. i think they call it equal opportunity or some such bullshit.
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For all of you obviously impressed with Joey B, let me ask this question.

BO's main battle cry is "Change", no more of the same old same old. However, his pick for running mate which gets you all excited is one of the 'good ole boys'. Where is the change in that?

He has been a part of the problem for the past 35 years, no real fresh ideas there. He has been living the politicians life for all those years, and playing the game in DC.

I think Palin did okay. As stated, not as polished as Biden, but then, I didn't expect her to be. I also think the mod was a bit slanted in her questions like WhiteRhino stated, but since she has a tie with Biden, what else was expected?

Bottom line, just like the OB and McCain debate, the one you already planned to vote for, won.
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I wasn't impressed with Palin. I was impressed with Biden.

Secondly, How is it the lender's fault that buyers bought bigger houses than they could afford???

Thirdly, I'm sick of the excuses. "Who in their right mind would expect her to be as polished as Biden?" you ask? Maybe someone who thinks that they're competing for the same job. If I had to hire two people, I wouldn't pick a guy that speaks/acts/dresses 'hood' over a guy who is polished in his appearance and language simply because 'the first guy was born in the hood, so I wouldn't expect him to be any better...'

Forth, and finally for now (because I need some coffee). I am so glad that Biden busted Palin's ovaries about the "Mavrick" thing. That was pissin' me off.

I agree GL.

Question for the masses....

Have any of you had to purchase your owm health care outside of work? My family did. For 2 adults and one child it was 350 dollars a month 10 years ago. That comes out to $4200 a year. As I understand it, McCains plan is to give everyone 5000 bucks to help them buy health insurance. Does anyone else see the flaws here? 1) Its not going to cover the cost of insurance for an average sized HEALTHY family, much less an unhealthy family (one with diabetes, elderly, etc) 2) How does the plan ensure that the money goes to health care and not big screen TVs? I am willing to bet that half the people in the USA will use that money to pay off bills or buy stuff rather than rationing it to use for health care every month. If they blow it, guess what? We are back to square one and they will be going to the hospital as an uninsured patient that the INSURED once again have to pay for, therefore driving costs up. I am not sold on this health care plan.
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For 2 adults and one child it was 350 dollars a month 10 years ago. That comes out to $4200 a year. As I understand it, McCains plan is to give everyone $5000
Looks like it covers you fine, as it most likely would most families.

On health care, a lot of smaller companies are going to a co-pay system to same money. I know where I work, due to rising costs, we not get a set amount of money every month towards our health insurance, which does not cover the policy. So even for the minimum you pay out of pocket. Want better coverage? Pay more out of pocket. So the $5K would be more than enough for my wife and I with the rider for both kids in college.

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Looks like it covers you fine, as it most likely would most families.

On health care, a lot of smaller companies are going to a co-pay system to same money. I know where I work, due to rising costs, we not get a set amount of money every month towards our health insurance, which does not cover the policy. So even for the minimum you pay out of pocket. Want better coverage? Pay more out of pocket. So the $5K would be more than enough for my wife and I with the rider for both kids in college.
DUDE THAT WAS 10 YEARS AGO!

How much was gas in 1998? A dollar a gallon? how much was bread?
My point here is that inflation has driven our costs up, if 4200 was enough 10 years ago, we need a LOT more now.
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Hows about this quote from the debate:

"I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also,"

Nope, debate rules dont apply to me, Im special. You will get the answers I give while I dodge the questions.

No thank you Ms. Palin, you sound too much like Bush.
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 08:08 AM   #70
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I agree GL.

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Have any of you had to purchase your owm health care outside of work?
I tried to once. They wouldn't sell it to me.
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 08:42 AM   #71
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the one you already planned to vote for, won.
I think everyone needs to read this again because it is very true.

but icemanii.... the comment about the health care? that was retarted... biden said the $5,000 is supposed to replace the current plan that costs us about $12,000.... I dont know about the rest of you but I dont feel like pulling $7,000 out my ass to pay for health insurance.

yes, these are un researched numbers but the point is still there.
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Palin is doing a great job with her responses. Saying the things I want to hear. (even though she never addresses the question)
What she is doing is called pandering. Saying things that we want to hear and not really answering the question.

On another point Despite not answering the direct questions she has done what Regan did in 1980.

Back in the day Carter was trying to sell how scary it would be to have an Actor as Pres. After the first Carter/Regan debate people did not see him as a scary actor but, possibly as president.

After tongiht I suspect a large number of people will think that it will not be so scary to have Palin as VP and possibly Pres.

She did what she had to do and that was not screw it up... Win to Palin, simply for not screwing it up.
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I think everyone needs to read this again because it is very true.

but icemanii.... the comment about the health care? that was retarted... biden said the $5,000 is supposed to replace the current plan that costs us about $12,000.... I dont know about the rest of you but I dont feel like pulling $7,000 out my ass to pay for health insurance.

yes, these are un researched numbers but the point is still there.
I know for a fact that I pay about $1,600 per year for healthcare to cover My wife, child, and myself and the company I work for pays between $10,000 and $12,000 total for my package. Under McCain's plan I would be paying about $2,000 a year with the taxes, and other people would get their $5,000 credit and pay at least $5,000 out of pocket. So who wins? I pay more, people who take the credit pay more, and the big companies who employ people who take the credit save. Yeah, that's what America needs right now is for the big businesses to save more money.

To argue my own arguement, and to do what Palin failed to do, there is the option of letting people pocket the $5,0000. This would allow people to take the risk of not having health care, but being able to save up almost $100,000 for college before your kid is 18 may be a good option for some people. I don't know the stipulations on the spending of the health credits though. The downfall of this is that only a small percentage of people would decide to not have healthcare and a lot of big companies would cut healthcare packages knowing that everyone would get this $5,000 instead. Overall, more people will benifit from the way it is set up right now.
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What she is doing is called pandering. Saying things that we want to hear and not really answering the question.
I dunno if you've noticed, but that's what 101% of the politicians do. Some are blunt about it, others hope you won't notice.
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What she is doing is called pandering. Saying things that we want to hear and not really answering the question.

On another point Despite not answering the direct questions she has done what Regan did in 1980.

Back in the day Carter was trying to sell how scary it would be to have an Actor as Pres. After the first Carter/Regan debate people did not see him as a scary actor but, possibly as president.

After tongiht I suspect a large number of people will think that it will not be so scary to have Palin as VP and possibly Pres.

She did what she had to do and that was not screw it up... Win to Palin, simply for not screwing it up.
Look at post #62, how is that not a screw-up.
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well, your forced to hire said hood rat due to bullshit laws. i think they call it equal opportunity or some such bullshit.
Well, thank goodness that we are not forced to vote for the "hood rat"!
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For all of you obviously impressed with Joey B, let me ask this question.

BO's main battle cry is "Change", no more of the same old same old. However, his pick for running mate which gets you all excited is one of the 'good ole boys'. Where is the change in that?

He has been a part of the problem for the past 35 years, no real fresh ideas there. He has been living the politicians life for all those years, and playing the game in DC.

I think Palin did okay. As stated, not as polished as Biden, but then, I didn't expect her to be. I also think the mod was a bit slanted in her questions like WhiteRhino stated, but since she has a tie with Biden, what else was expected?


Bottom line, just like the OB and McCain debate, the one you already planned to vote for, won.
X3 but I think Palin did extremely well, as far as bias questions, I was told the mod has written a book about Obama, that would explain alot! can anyone verify that?
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First, Sarah was looking HOT. Now we can move on...

Frankly I think it was a toss-up, a draw. Neither one screwed the pooch, and likewise neither one landed a decisive blow.

Joe's slick, and fast on his feet - which is typically where he gets into trouble. He did a nice job, and the well-rehearsed tearing-up was a hit with the Obamatoid media.

Sarah relies far too much on tricks and catch-phrases, be it "maverick", "Joe Sixpack" or quoting Ronald Reagan. She landed a few nice punches (finally) calling Joe out for talking more about Dubya than anything else.

And yes, the moderator is authoring a book on black politicans slated for release on inaugaration day. She's a confirmed, card-carrying Obamatoid.

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X3 but I think Palin did extremely well, as far as bias questions, I was told the mod has written a book about Obama, that would explain alot! can anyone verify that?
Seriously... do you have an issue with the moderator being unfairly biased towards the Dems? Yes she is writting a book, however this bias was not present last night and the questions were good questions.



I think she did not press for answers to her questions...Gwen Ifill allowed both candidates to give individual 2 minute speeches.

I suspect if we had a more pressing moderator and pressed for answers to these complex questions we would have had more like the Curic interview or Gibson interview from both Biden and Palin.

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Look at post #62, how is that not a screw-up.
very small victory for Joe...

The problem with many of these Senate votes have to do with really going for or against some of amendments.

A good example is the McCain vote that has funding for the troops and a time line... Vote for the bill and you support the time line and the funding... Vote against the bill and the time line and you suddenly do not support the troops because there was funding attached to it.

The voting records from congress are very easy to distort.. for both sides.
That distortion is why we get few members of congress actually win the white house.
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