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Old October 12th, 2008, 11:07 PM   #141
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HEALTH CARE goverment control = gay they choose wether yopu live or die so if you have a crimanal record fukc you if your 80 with emphozima fucky you if you have aids fukc you
ENERGY pist did you knoW the democraticly controlled house refused to vote on a republican bill to open up drilling and funding solar wind and electric then turn around and present some bs bill to cover there ass yep there really looking into out side energy and how does obama differ from the current power of the house oh hes more soicallist good luck with him doing any thing he says oh and your oil speech you no vaquaro petro and those gass stations are venzualin owened and there drill rigs our 100 miles off our coast so were buying our own oil
IRAQ I BELEIVE WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE AS TO NOT SHIT ON EVERY FAMILY THAT LOST SOME ONE OVER THERE.
are people slowly unlearning the English language? i agree with most of what you say(what i can decipher), but damn dude.
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k, so i was planning on writing out a detailed answer about my beliefs about the candidates, my own beliefs about abortion, healthcare, lobbyists, etc, etc, etc... but then i got wrapped into studying, so I lost my motivation to argue.
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Old October 12th, 2008, 11:59 PM   #143
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k, so i was planning on writing out a detailed answer about my beliefs about the candidates, my own beliefs about abortion, healthcare, lobbyists, etc, etc, etc... but then i got wrapped into studying, so I lost my motivation to argue.
its a good thing too. a woman's place is barefoot and in the kitchen.
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its a good thing too. a woman's place is barefoot and in the kitchen.
Barefoot? are you a redneck? what time frame do you live in, you sick man??


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Old October 13th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #145
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heels are allowed in the kitchen. but your gonna need some good walking shoes for the trips to the grocery store, since women shouldn't be allowed to drive either.
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HEALTH CARE goverment control = gay they choose wether yopu live or die so if you have a crimanal record fukc you if your 80 with emphozima fucky you if you have aids fukc you
ENERGY pist did you knoW the democraticly controlled house refused to vote on a republican bill to open up drilling and funding solar wind and electric then turn around and present some bs bill to cover there ass yep there really looking into out side energy and how does obama differ from the current power of the house oh hes more soicallist good luck with him doing any thing he says oh and your oil speech you no vaquaro petro and those gass stations are venzualin owened and there drill rigs our 100 miles off our coast so were buying our own oil
IRAQ I BELEIVE WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE AS TO NOT SHIT ON EVERY FAMILY THAT LOST SOME ONE OVER THERE.

And do what? When can we pull troops out? Do you really think that we can just stay there and all of the religious hatred will go away? We're going to stay there and more soldiers will die. Period. Why don't we go after the terrorists instead? Can you even tell me the goal in Iraq? Yeah, more families with dead relatives seems like a good way to go you fuckwad.
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And do what? When can we pull troops out? Do you really think that we can just stay there and all of the religious hatred will go away? We're going to stay there and more soldiers will die. Period. Why don't we go after the terrorists instead? Can you even tell me the goal in Iraq? Yeah, more families with dead relatives seems like a good way to go you fuckwad.
have any of your friends/relatives died in iraq?
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Old October 13th, 2008, 03:36 PM   #148
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And do what? When can we pull troops out? Do you really think that we can just stay there and all of the religious hatred will go away? We're going to stay there and more soldiers will die. Period. Why don't we go after the terrorists instead? Can you even tell me the goal in Iraq? Yeah, more families with dead relatives seems like a good way to go you fuckwad.
Did you know that 47 countries have reestablished their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi government currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 new schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational structure consists of 20 Universities, 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers, all currently operating?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed for the United States in January 2005 for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational? They have 5 -100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons, which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft (under Iraqi operational control) which operate day and night, and will soon add 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000 fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq? They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent media that consists of 75 radio stations, 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi presidential election had a televised debate recently?
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Can you even tell me the goal in Iraq?
sustainable democracy
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Old October 13th, 2008, 03:56 PM   #150
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I like Obama's health care plan better, Middle East plan better, plan to put more regulations on the big lenders, and his plan for new energy sources better than McCain's.

Health care-
Obama; Wants the government to control health costs./ This could help keep doctors from billing $600 for a five minute visit. His goal is for hospital fees to be kept down so health care can be kept down.


Wow, government regulation will fix it. Clint can you name for me one thing the government does more cost effectively than the private sector? If government sets the price, hospitals will cut services, employees, and updates to equiptment and facilities. This will affect suppliers, employees and our tax base.

McCain; Wants to tax health care and give a $5,000 credit to those who decide not to participate in a health care program through their employer. This would obviously hurt anyone who is getting health care through an employer due to paying taxes on it, but it would also hurt anyone who wants to get their own health care because the average health care package in the U.S. costs about $10,000. This would also give employers the power to say "Hey we're not providing health care anymore because you can all just get the $5,000 credit and get your own. Now the blue collars are screwed and the big companies win.

Energy-
Obama; wants to put money into finding and developing alternative energy sources./ This is a must becaues there is obviously no way to getting anywhere with alternative energy without proper funding.

McCain has $$ in for wind, solar and even that evil nuclear energy as well as drilling for oil in Florida, California and Alaska.

McCain; Wants to drill right now and provide our own oil./ The U.S. uses a lot more oil than we have here, so it won't cut us off from overseas oil. It would also take about ten years for any of us to see the benefits of it due to the time for drilling operations and refineries to be completed.

War in the Middle East-
Obama; Wants to let Iraq use their 300,000 soldiers we have trained for them and their $80,000,000,000 surplus to fight their own war and keep less than half of our current troops there. The rest of our troops will seek out Bin Laden and the Al Quida. The ones who are, and have been, planning terrorist attacks.

One question for you: Did the surge in Iraq work? Simple yes/no question, can you answer it? Can your candidate?

I would rather pull out of South Korea, the Phillipines, Germany and Cuba before Iraq. It is a STRATEGIC LOCATION that stabalizes the entire region


McCain; Wants to stay the course in Iraq so we can leave with a feeling of victory, Then perhaps going after Al Quida./ I would like to know what "winning" the war is though, because we may never get their country back on track. There are countries all over the world with the same situations, but we're not helping them.

So you are admitting that you would like your candidate to surrender, and turn over the oil fields of Iraq to know terrorists? End dates only give the enemy a better idea of their long term planning objectives.

Please comment/correct any of these statements.
Have you looked at Barry's record? Do you know what he has voted for and against? Have you looked at the people he associates with? Do any of them worry you? I would like any leader I am expected to follow to have a track record of sound descisions, I would expect people he associated with over a lifetime to speak highly of him. I do not care if he attends the same church as me, but his church should tell me alot about how he thinks and what he supports.
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I think it's all about oil.
I mean we did a solid thing liberating Iraq.
Saddam Hussein was a bad man, piss on his rotting corpse.
There was an Al Qaeda connection.
Intel believed there were WMDs. If we knew there were none, we would have planted them to find. And I believe WMDs were/are there.

But it is all about the oil.

And we will leave the Iraqis better than we found them, then they will attack us.
They are just waiting for the Kalif.
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Old October 13th, 2008, 04:01 PM   #152
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And do what? When can we pull troops out? Do you really think that we can just stay there and all of the religious hatred will go away? We're going to stay there and more soldiers will die. Period. Why don't we go after the terrorists instead? Can you even tell me the goal in Iraq? Yeah, more families with dead relatives seems like a good way to go you fuckwad.
you just need somthing to rebel against and this is your cruch im so sick of seeing you ignorant protesters i think you should all be forced to move to caanadait is called sustainable democracy and we havent come this far to give up
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I think it's all about oil.
I mean we did a solid thing liberating Iraq.
Saddam Hussein was a bad man, piss on his rotting corpse.
There was an Al Qaeda connection.
Intel believed there were WMDs. If we knew there were none, we would have planted them to find. And I believe WMDs were/are there.

But it is all about the oil.

And we will leave the Iraqis better than we found them, then they will attack us.
They are just waiting for the Kalif.
In a way it is about oil. our national security depends upon oil. a form of democracy in iraq will ensure their oil will be available on the market in the future.

Also democracy will make them forget about the caliph. Its done a fabulous job of making the west marginalize the bible. Therefore democracy is also the answer to terrorism.
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Also democracy will make them forget about the caliph. Its done a fabulous job of making the west marginalize the bible. Therefore democracy is also the answer to terrorism.
dude, thats profound.
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In a way it is about oil. our national security depends upon oil. a form of democracy in iraq will ensure their oil will be available on the market in the future.

Also democracy will make them forget about the caliph. Its done a fabulous job of making the west marginalize the bible. Therefore democracy is also the answer to terrorism.
wxtending your line of logic christians were the first terrorist
but i agree with what you said
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IF YOU SMELL WHAT BARACK IS COOKEN.......

I dont like the smell and I like guns way to much my vote is for McCain
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You talk about McCain's record, so take a look at this.
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

As for healthcare, I don't think Obama's plan is that great, but it's a lot better than McCain's dumbass plan. Tax healthcare for the first time ever, and offer $5,000 to opt-out of a healthcare plan so you can pay $10,000 to get your own. NOBODY wins except the employers of big businesses who are already fucking over our middle calss because they will then stop providing healthcare because people will get credit to get their own.

McCain also seems to be changing his tone
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...referring.html
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have any of your friends/relatives died in iraq?
never answered my question clint.
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never answered my question clint.
Not yet
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oh, so your speaking on behalf of families of kia veterans and you haven't lost a family member or friend?? why don't you let them speak for themselves. i know if one of my friends or family members had died over there i wouldn't want a ass like you demeaning their service and sacrifice.

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