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Old October 9th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #121
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1. Immigration – He’s not just pro-open borders, he’s Senor Amnesty – co-sponsor of McCain-Kennedy, which would have legalized 15 million illegal aliens, allowed them to bring in tens of millions of their mooching relatives (including the elderly and infirm), given them credit for past Social Security contributions, etc. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector said McCain-Kennedy would have constituted the largest expansion of the welfare state in U.S. history (at an estimated cost of $2.6 trillion). A Republican who served with McNasty in the Senate said he was forever haranguing his GOP colleagues about being perceived as “xenophobes” for not supporting amnesty. At CPAC, he told conservatives he’s heard us. He’ll secure the borders first, then push amnesty – which, of course, will negate anything he does at the border. Build it (a suicidal welfare state that embraces alien intruders), and a fence won’t keep them out.

2. Multiculturalism – If his advocacy of open borders wasn’t enough, McCain has also opposed official English and supported bi-lingual education (two more issues where he’s out-of-step with the overwhelming majority of his countrymen). McCain even voted for an amendment that would have codified Clinton’s Executive Order 13166, requiring recipients of federal funding, like hospitals, to provide translation services in any language requested. (When it comes to pandering, cost is no object.) No wonder he’s a hero to LULAC (the separatist League of United Latin American Citizens), Geraldo Rivera and Juan Hernandez (his Hispanic outreach director, who says he’d like 7th. generation Mexican-Americans to think of themselves as Mexicans first). Look for President McCain to make Cinco de Mayo a national holiday, give his inaugural address in Arabic and light an annual Kwanza whatever on the White House lawn.

3. Enviro-Marxism – McCain’s supporters think he’s just the man to lead America in the War on Terrorism. What’s the principal weapon of terrorist states? Oil. What does McCain want to keep America from producing more of? Oil. In 2003, McCain was one of only 6 Republican senators to vote against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. For McCain, keeping America dependent on Middle Eastern oil is a small price to pay to make the caribou comfortable. He’s also the proud co-sponsor of McCain-Lieberman – a $660 billion monument to the myth of man-made global warming (an industry-killing cap on CO2 emissions), which would annihilate tens of thousands of American jobs and make us far less competitive. By what twisted logic does open borders, crippling U.S. industry and energy dependence equal national security?

4. Class Warfare – In the recent debate at the Reagan Library, McCain called Romney a “manager for profits” (would he prefer a businessman who managed for losses?) who has “laid people off” – thus demonstrating how little the Senator understands the market economy. Jobs aren’t permanent -- except for those who’ve served in the Senate for 21 years -- and sometimes they have to disappear so others can be created. In 2001, McCain was one of only two Republican Senators to vote against the Bush tax cuts. In 2003, he was one of only three. Now, he says it’s because there weren’t matching spending cuts. Then he called them “tax cuts for the rich.” This comes from a man who never held a private-sector job and made his money the old-fashioned way – by marrying an heiress whose father subsidized his early campaigns.

5. Abortion – McCain’s vaunted pro-life voting record reflects the views of his Arizona constituents more than any real commitment. He supports subsidies for embryonic stem-cell research. In 2000, he told the San Francisco Examiner that “certainly in the short term, even in the long-term I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” (He later reversed himself under pro-life pressure.) Most critics view McCain-Feingold as an assault on the First Amendment, which it certainly is. It’s also one of the most destructive anti-life measures ever enacted by Congress. Under this so-called Campaign Finance Reform, a pro-life group can’t run ads criticizing the record of a pro-abortion legislator within 60 days of a general election or 30 days of a primary. Needless to say, there’s no similar gag-rule for McCain’s buddies in the mainstream media. Elsewhere on the family-values front, McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment. He says it’s because he wants states to decide the definition of marriage (the only instance in which he’s on record favoring federalism), which is the same as saying he wants activist judges to decide.

6. Judicial Nominations – Though McCain denies it, columnist Robert Novak swears the frontrunner told him prior to confirmation of Justice Samuel Alito that the nominee was too conservative, and that he preferred those who “didn’t wear their conservatism on their sleeve” (like Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy?). McCain was also part of the Gang of 14 which prevented a rules change that would have stopped unconstitutional filibusters on judicial nominations. Former New Hampshire Senator Warren Rudman was responsible for the Supreme Court nomination of David Souter -- the most disastrous Republican appointment since Earl Warren. (The play was Rudman to then-Chief of Staff John Sununu to Bush Sr.) Rudman has a prominent role in McCain’s campaign. Rudman could be President McCain’s Attorney General, giving him more say on judicial nominations than anyone other than the president. In his 1996 book, Rudman wrote that Christian conservatives include in their ranks “enough anti-abortion zealots, would-be censors, homophobes, bigots and latter-day Elmer Gantrys to discredit any party that is unwise enough” to align itself with them. With Warren Rudman at his side, it’s anyone’s guess whether McCain’s Supreme Court picks would be appreciably better than Clinton’s or Obama’s.

7. War on Terrorism – We’ve already noted McCain’s support for energy dependence and his crusade for open borders. (Besides all of the rapists, drug-dealers and gang members coming across our Southern border, terrorists are also infiltrating the United States due to the de facto surrender of national sovereignty.) McCain wants to close Guantanamo and give terrorists the same rights as enemy combatants. He opposes tough interrogation techniques that leave no scars, but have elicited the intelligence that has saved American lives. (Personally, I’d use thumbscrews and the iron maiden on this scum.) A McCain anti-terrorism policy is more likely to be shaped by his friends at the ACLU and The New York Times than by the Center for Security Policy.

8. McPsycho – McCain is famous for going postal on his Republican colleagues -- dropping the F-word, calling them f---ing idiots and worse. His dangerous inability to control his temper comes from a God-complex and an ingrained contempt for other human beings. One of his colleagues commented, “I don’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.” Given his mental state, McCain could end up nuking Terre Haute instead of Tehran.

9. Reaching Across the Aisle – This is media-speak for a Republican sell-out who conspires with the left. McCain doesn’t reach across the aisle – he leaps. Former Senator Rick Santorum discloses: “The bottom line is that I served 12 years with him (McCain), 6 years in the United States Senate as a leader, one of the leaders of the Senate – the number-3 leader – who had the responsibility of trying to put together the conservative agenda, and at almost every turn on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side.” Republican presidents who are unsure of themselves too often try to placate the other party. For McCain, working with the left is his natural inclination. He’ll turn to the Kennedys, Feingolds and Liebermans not as a last resort, but as a first.

10. Rally or Roll-Over -- If a Democrat takes the oath of office next January, Congressional Republicans will find their principles again. From 1993 to 1995, without a majority in either House, Republicans fought Bill Clinton to a legislative standstill. They went on to win the House and Senate in the 1994 election -- for the first time in 40 years – and to hold both for a decade. If McCain is elected, it will be roll-over time for Congressional Republicans – on taxes, regulation, environmentalism, speech-suppression, internationalism, multiculturalism, civil liberties for terrorists and open-borders. (When it comes to arm-twisting, Captain Queeg would make Bush look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.) This time, instead of losing power for a few years, the party could be permanently discredited.

Ultimately, all of this is academic. McCain’s chances of becoming the next president are none – and none. Since 1964, Republicans have won 7 of 10 presidential elections. They lost in 1976, 1992 and 1996. Each time, the party was saddled with a standard-bearer – Ford, Bush ’41, Dole – that a large part of the base couldn’t stand.

The American people are basically conservative. At some point, the Democrats always give away the game – expose themselves as the party of socialism, pacifism, racial-pandering and treason. They only win when Republicans sound an uncertain trumpet. McCain is a kazoo played by an asthmatic.

McCain is also old, abrasive and unlovable. (It was said of Bob Dole, another war hero, that he couldn’t sell beer on a troop ship. McCain couldn’t give it away.) Once the Democrats pick their nominee, McCain’s media cheerleaders will pack up their pompoms and move to the other side of the field.

President Bush – he of “compassionate conservatism,” mega-spending hikes and Hamas statehood– has just announced that John McCain is a “true conservative.”
how can you use this as a argument all you prove is he is also democrate just not as big as obama in all honesty if he didnt have gop backing him he would have no conservative votes becase he is a flaming liberal
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I'm not saying that he doesn't "reach across the isle". I'm just saying that these are a few of his stances that I do not agree with. Do you agree with all of these views?
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Name a couple of specific things that you don't like about Obama's plans and why you don't like them.
My dislike is based on belief in America , I can not and will not support a non believer.

Your posts lead me to believe you would be better suited living in Cuba.

I am an American Patriot I believe in America thru good and bad I am an American and will always be an American

The very first thing a presidential candidate should have is belief in America , this person should salute and appreciate the American soldier, salute and appreciate the American flag in fact here is a simple test if you do not feel inspired and get a touch emotional at the playing of the National anthem then you should pack your bags ang get the F out !!! We dont need you
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If you are a give me give me give me person and not a I earned it type person get out we dont need you.

I served my country , I have a life long disability from serving my country but I can sleep at night knowing I stepped up and did my part.
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OK first, Obama is way left of all of this-


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1. Immigration – He’s not just pro-open borders, he’s Senor Amnesty – co-sponsor of McCain-Kennedy, which would have legalized 15 million illegal aliens, allowed them to bring in tens of millions of their mooching relatives (including the elderly and infirm), given them credit for past Social Security contributions, etc. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector said McCain-Kennedy would have constituted the largest expansion of the welfare state in U.S. history (at an estimated cost of $2.6 trillion). A Republican who served with McNasty in the Senate said he was forever haranguing his GOP colleagues about being perceived as “xenophobes” for not supporting amnesty. At CPAC, he told conservatives he’s heard us. He’ll secure the borders first, then push amnesty – which, of course, will negate anything he does at the border. Build it (a suicidal welfare state that embraces alien intruders), and a fence won’t keep them out.

At a campaign event in Georgia, Obama told the crowd that “instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English — they’ll learn English — you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish.”

2. Multiculturalism – If his advocacy of open borders wasn’t enough, McCain has also opposed official English and supported bi-lingual education (two more issues where he’s out-of-step with the overwhelming majority of his countrymen). McCain even voted for an amendment that would have codified Clinton’s Executive Order 13166, requiring recipients of federal funding, like hospitals, to provide translation services in any language requested. (When it comes to pandering, cost is no object.) No wonder he’s a hero to LULAC (the separatist League of United Latin American Citizens), Geraldo Rivera and Juan Hernandez (his Hispanic outreach director, who says he’d like 7th. generation Mexican-Americans to think of themselves as Mexicans first). Look for President McCain to make Cinco de Mayo a national holiday, give his inaugural address in Arabic and light an annual Kwanza whatever on the White House lawn.

And Obama would be better how? To twist stuff as your cut and paste has, Barry will pass an executive order making all Americans practice islam, and celebrate the entire month of ramadan by praying to mecca and starving from sun up till sun down.


3. Enviro-Marxism – McCain’s supporters think he’s just the man to lead America in the War on Terrorism. What’s the principal weapon of terrorist states? Oil. What does McCain want to keep America from producing more of? Oil. In 2003, McCain was one of only 6 Republican senators to vote against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. For McCain, keeping America dependent on Middle Eastern oil is a small price to pay to make the caribou comfortable. He’s also the proud co-sponsor of McCain-Lieberman – a $660 billion monument to the myth of man-made global warming (an industry-killing cap on CO2 emissions), which would annihilate tens of thousands of American jobs and make us far less competitive. By what twisted logic does open borders, crippling U.S. industry and energy dependence equal national security?

Only thing BHO has on McCain here is the lack of any sort of national track record. I do believe the addition of Palin to the ticket negates this.

4. Class Warfare – In the recent debate at the Reagan Library, McCain called Romney a “manager for profits” (would he prefer a businessman who managed for losses?) who has “laid people off” – thus demonstrating how little the Senator understands the market economy. Jobs aren’t permanent -- except for those who’ve served in the Senate for 21 years -- and sometimes they have to disappear so others can be created. In 2001, McCain was one of only two Republican Senators to vote against the Bush tax cuts. In 2003, he was one of only three. Now, he says it’s because there weren’t matching spending cuts. Then he called them “tax cuts for the rich.” This comes from a man who never held a private-sector job and made his money the old-fashioned way – by marrying an heiress whose father subsidized his early campaigns.

Barry’s track record here is what? Voting to raise taxes 54 times? Being a "community Organizer" with ACORN (now under investigation in several states) and Ayers (a known terrorist who only got off on a legal technicality, and has said on several occasions that he is not sorry he bombed targets inside the US, but wishes he had done more)


Class warfare- What leg does BHO have to stand on here? Obamas friend, fellow board member, political alli Ayers sure was trying to stir up some class warfare in the 70's, then he and BHO got together to - in their own words "radicalize" the education system in Chicago.

5. Abortion – McCain’s vaunted pro-life voting record reflects the views of his Arizona constituents more than any real commitment. He supports subsidies for embryonic stem-cell research. In 2000, he told the San Francisco Examiner that “certainly in the short term, even in the long-term I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.” (He later reversed himself under pro-life pressure.) Most critics view McCain-Feingold as an assault on the First Amendment, which it certainly is. It’s also one of the most destructive anti-life measures ever enacted by Congress. Under this so-called Campaign Finance Reform, a pro-life group can’t run ads criticizing the record of a pro-abortion legislator within 60 days of a general election or 30 days of a primary. Needless to say, there’s no similar gag-rule for McCain’s buddies in the mainstream media. Elsewhere on the family-values front, McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment. He says it’s because he wants states to decide the definition of marriage (the only instance in which he’s on record favoring federalism), which is the same as saying he wants activist judges to decide.


wow, Obama voted to drop living breathing aborted babies on the abortion room floor and make it a crime to treat them or give them basic care, and your argument is McCain may not be in genuine support of right to life...drink some more Kool-Aid

6. Judicial Nominations – Though McCain denies it, columnist Robert Novak swears the frontrunner told him prior to confirmation of Justice Samuel Alito that the nominee was too conservative and that he preferred those who “didn’t wear their conservatism on their sleeve” (like Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy?). McCain was also part of the Gang of 14 which prevented a rules change that would have stopped unconstitutional filibusters on judicial nominations. Former New Hampshire Senator Warren Rudman was responsible for the Supreme Court nomination of David Souter -- the most disastrous Republican appointment since Earl Warren. (The play was Rudman to then-Chief of Staff John Sununu to Bush Sr.) Rudman has a prominent role in McCain’s campaign. Rudman could be President McCain’s Attorney General, giving him more say on judicial nominations than anyone other than the president. In his 1996 book, Rudman wrote that Christian conservatives include in their ranks “enough anti-abortion zealots, would-be censors, homophobes, bigots and latter-day Elmer Gantrys to discredit any party that is unwise enough” to align itself with them. With Warren Rudman at his side, it’s anyone’s guess whether McCain’s Supreme Court picks would be appreciably better than Clinton’s or Obama’s.

DO YOU LIVE IN MICHIGAN??? OBAMA WANTS TO PLACE GRANHOLM ON THE US SUPREME COURT~~~ ARE YOU STONED OR JUST STUPID!!!


7. War on Terrorism – We’ve already noted McCain’s support for energy dependence and his crusade for open borders. (Besides all of the rapists, drug-dealers and gang members coming across our Southern border, terrorists are also infiltrating the United States due to the de facto surrender of national sovereignty.) McCain wants to close Guantanamo and give terrorists the same rights as enemy combatants. He opposes tough interrogation techniques that leave no scars, but have elicited the intelligence that has saved American lives. (Personally, I’d use thumbscrews and the iron maiden on this scum.) A McCain anti-terrorism policy is more likely to be shaped by his friends at the ACLU and The New York Times than by the Center for Security Policy.

BARRY will give them all a hug, then a visa to visit the states so they can contact a good lawyer and sue us. At least under BHO we will have our troops home, so when the acts of terrorists begin here the troops can enforce martial law for Barry after the bombings.


8. McPsycho – McCain is famous for going postal on his Republican colleagues -- dropping the F-word, calling them f---ing idiots and worse. His dangerous inability to control his temper comes from a God-complex and an ingrained contempt for other human beings. One of his colleagues commented, “I don’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.” Given his mental state, McCain could end up nuking Terre Haute instead of Tehran.

Post a link to verify your source or drink some more Kool-Aid you fucking idiot

9. Reaching Across the Aisle – This is media-speak for a Republican sell-out who conspires with the left. McCain doesn’t reach across the aisle – he leaps. Former Senator Rick Santorum discloses: “The bottom line is that I served 12 years with him (McCain), 6 years in the United States Senate as a leader, one of the leaders of the Senate – the number-3 leader – who had the responsibility of trying to put together the conservative agenda, and at almost every turn on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side.” Republican presidents who are unsure of themselves too often try to placate the other party. For McCain, working with the left is his natural inclination. He’ll turn to the Kennedys, Feingolds and Liebermans not as a last resort, but as a first.

Hey could it get any worse, oh yea BHO is the MOST liberal person in the US senate, so I guess we are picking the better of two evils here...

10. Rally or Roll-Over -- If a Democrat takes the oath of office next January, Congressional Republicans will find their principles again. From 1993 to 1995, without a majority in either House, Republicans fought Bill Clinton to a legislative standstill. They went on to win the House and Senate in the 1994 election -- for the first time in 40 years – and to hold both for a decade. If McCain is elected, it will be roll-over time for Congressional Republicans – on taxes, regulation, environmentalism, speech-suppression, internationalism, multiculturalism, civil liberties for terrorists and open-borders. (When it comes to arm-twisting, Captain Queeg would make Bush look like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.) This time, instead of losing power for a few years, the party could be permanently discredited.

And it would be so much better with BHO in the oval office...

Ultimately, all of this is academic. McCain’s chances of becoming the next president are none – and none. Since 1964, Republicans have won 7 of 10 presidential elections. They lost in 1976, 1992 and 1996. Each time, the party was saddled with a standard-bearer – Ford, Bush ’41, Dole – that a large part of the base couldn’t stand.

The American people are basically conservative. At some point, the Democrats always give away the game – expose themselves as the party of socialism, pacifism, racial-pandering and treason. They only win when Republicans sound an uncertain trumpet. McCain is a kazoo played by an asthmatic.

Wow openly admitting your candidate is for socialism, pacifism, racial-pandering and treason. Too bad the main stream media doesn't do their job.

McCain is also old, abrasive and unlovable. (It was said of Bob Dole, another war hero, that he couldn’t sell beer on a troop ship. McCain couldn’t give it away.) Once the Democrats pick their nominee, McCain’s media cheerleaders will pack up their pompoms and move to the other side of the field.

President Bush – he of “compassionate conservatism,” mega-spending hikes and Hamas statehood– has just announced that John McCain is a “true conservative.”
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all that shows is that people who buy coffee at 7/11 are liberal idiots.
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I don't drink coffee, and I'm not voting for Barack Osama.

Maybe if they did this with beer bottle labels we'd see a different story.
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I pissed in all the Obama cups at my 7-11 and the clerk held them for me ....now we share a giggle everytime I go in there. :)
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I'm not saying that he doesn't "reach across the isle". I'm just saying that these are a few of his stances that I do not agree with. Do you agree with all of these views?
why dont you agree with them this is the core fundementals of the democratic party that you you spend your time defending
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I like Obama's health care plan better, Middle East plan better, plan to put more regulations on the big lenders, and his plan for new energy sources better than McCain's.

Health care-
Obama; Wants the government to control health costs./ This could help keep doctors from billing $600 for a five minute visit. His goal is for hospital fees to be kept down so health care can be kept down.

McCain; Wants to tax health care and give a $5,000 credit to those who decide not to participate in a health care program through their employer. This would obviously hurt anyone who is getting health care through an employer due to paying taxes on it, but it would also hurt anyone who wants to get their own health care because the average health care package in the U.S. costs about $10,000. This would also give employers the power to say "Hey we're not providing health care anymore because you can all just get the $5,000 credit and get your own. Now the blue collars are screwed and the big companies win.

Energy-
Obama; wants to put money into finding and developing alternative energy sources./ This is a must becaues there is obviously no way to getting anywhere with alternative energy without proper funding.

McCain; Wants to drill right now and provide our own oil./ The U.S. uses a lot more oil than we have here, so it won't cut us off from overseas oil. It would also take about ten years for any of us to see the benefits of it due to the time for drilling operations and refineries to be completed.

War in the Middle East-
Obama; Wants to let Iraq use their 300,000 soldiers we have trained for them and their $80,000,000,000 surplus to fight their own war and keep less than half of our current troops there. The rest of our troops will seek out Bin Laden and the Al Quida. The ones who are, and have been, planning terrorist attacks.

McCain; Wants to stay the course in Iraq so we can leave with a feeling of victory, Then perhaps going after Al Quida./ I would like to know what "winning" the war is though, because we may never get their country back on track. There are countries all over the world with the same situations, but we're not helping them.

Please comment/correct any of these statements.
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I like Obama's health care plan better, Middle East plan better, plan to put more regulations on the big lenders, and his plan for new energy sources better than McCain's.

Health care-
Obama; Wants the government to control health costs./ This could help keep doctors from billing $600 for a five minute visit. His goal is for hospital fees to be kept down so health care can be kept down.

McCain; Wants to tax health care and give a $5,000 credit to those who decide not to participate in a health care program through their employer. This would obviously hurt anyone who is getting health care through an employer due to paying taxes on it, but it would also hurt anyone who wants to get their own health care because the average health care package in the U.S. costs about $10,000. This would also give employers the power to say "Hey we're not providing health care anymore because you can all just get the $5,000 credit and get your own. Now the blue collars are screwed and the big companies win.

Energy-
Obama; wants to put money into finding and developing alternative energy sources./ This is a must becaues there is obviously no way to getting anywhere with alternative energy without proper funding.

McCain; Wants to drill right now and provide our own oil./ The U.S. uses a lot more oil than we have here, so it won't cut us off from overseas oil. It would also take about ten years for any of us to see the benefits of it due to the time for drilling operations and refineries to be completed.

War in the Middle East-
Obama; Wants to let Iraq use their 300,000 soldiers we have trained for them and their $80,000,000,000 surplus to fight their own war and keep less than half of our current troops there. The rest of our troops will seek out Bin Laden and the Al Quida. The ones who are, and have been, planning terrorist attacks.

McCain; Wants to stay the course in Iraq so we can leave with a feeling of victory, Then perhaps going after Al Quida./ I would like to know what "winning" the war is though, because we may never get their country back on track. There are countries all over the world with the same situations, but we're not helping them.

Please comment/correct any of these statements.
Dude, just about everything is wrong or half true. I'm only going to do the healthcare because gas is cheap and I'm gonna run the piss out of the Scarab tomorrow. Now remember, I'm a radical from another time. I believe the priviledge to vote should only come after 4 years of volunteer service or military. Not to worry, no one else buys into that,

First of all think about your 1040. Remember that box where you fill in last years refund?. That is added to your gross. They are taxing you on money you already paid taxes on and is returned to you. Yeah baby, can you dig it.

Same thing, the government is giving you up to 5000 for health insurance. They are going to add that to your gross, because they are giving it to you. Actually, giving it to your insurance company.
No insurance? No moola.
Don't get hung up on them taxing it. Be more worried about paying the health care for NWFs and TONKs, because if you have a good job, or if you will, that money has to come from somewhere.

Lastly, and most important, look at what they have done, compared to what they say they will do.

of course I could be wrong
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I like Obama's health care plan better, Middle East plan better, plan to put more regulations on the big lenders, and his plan for new energy sources better than McCain's.

Health care-
Obama; Wants the government to control health costs./ This could help keep doctors from billing $600 for a five minute visit. His goal is for hospital fees to be kept down so health care can be kept down.

McCain; Wants to tax health care and give a $5,000 credit to those who decide not to participate in a health care program through their employer. This would obviously hurt anyone who is getting health care through an employer due to paying taxes on it, but it would also hurt anyone who wants to get their own health care because the average health care package in the U.S. costs about $10,000. This would also give employers the power to say "Hey we're not providing health care anymore because you can all just get the $5,000 credit and get your own. Now the blue collars are screwed and the big companies win.

Energy-
Obama; wants to put money into finding and developing alternative energy sources./ This is a must becaues there is obviously no way to getting anywhere with alternative energy without proper funding.

McCain; Wants to drill right now and provide our own oil./ The U.S. uses a lot more oil than we have here, so it won't cut us off from overseas oil. It would also take about ten years for any of us to see the benefits of it due to the time for drilling operations and refineries to be completed.

War in the Middle East-
Obama; Wants to let Iraq use their 300,000 soldiers we have trained for them and their $80,000,000,000 surplus to fight their own war and keep less than half of our current troops there. The rest of our troops will seek out Bin Laden and the Al Quida. The ones who are, and have been, planning terrorist attacks.

McCain; Wants to stay the course in Iraq so we can leave with a feeling of victory, Then perhaps going after Al Quida./ I would like to know what "winning" the war is though, because we may never get their country back on track. There are countries all over the world with the same situations, but we're not helping them.

Please comment/correct any of these statements.
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I like Obama's health care plan better, Middle East plan better, plan to put more regulations on the big lenders, and his plan for new energy sources better than McCain's.

Health care-
Obama; Wants the government to control health costs./ This could help keep doctors from billing $600 for a five minute visit. His goal is for hospital fees to be kept down so health care can be kept down.

McCain; Wants to tax health care and give a $5,000 credit to those who decide not to participate in a health care program through their employer. This would obviously hurt anyone who is getting health care through an employer due to paying taxes on it, but it would also hurt anyone who wants to get their own health care because the average health care package in the U.S. costs about $10,000. This would also give employers the power to say "Hey we're not providing health care anymore because you can all just get the $5,000 credit and get your own. Now the blue collars are screwed and the big companies win.

Energy-
Obama; wants to put money into finding and developing alternative energy sources./ This is a must becaues there is obviously no way to getting anywhere with alternative energy without proper funding.

McCain; Wants to drill right now and provide our own oil./ The U.S. uses a lot more oil than we have here, so it won't cut us off from overseas oil. It would also take about ten years for any of us to see the benefits of it due to the time for drilling operations and refineries to be completed.

War in the Middle East-
Obama; Wants to let Iraq use their 300,000 soldiers we have trained for them and their $80,000,000,000 surplus to fight their own war and keep less than half of our current troops there. The rest of our troops will seek out Bin Laden and the Al Quida. The ones who are, and have been, planning terrorist attacks.

McCain; Wants to stay the course in Iraq so we can leave with a feeling of victory, Then perhaps going after Al Quida./ I would like to know what "winning" the war is though, because we may never get their country back on track. There are countries all over the world with the same situations, but we're not helping them.

Please comment/correct any of these statements.
HEALTH CARE goverment control = gay they choose wether yopu live or die so if you have a crimanal record fukc you if your 80 with emphozima fucky you if you have aids fukc you
ENERGY pist did you knoW the democraticly controlled house refused to vote on a republican bill to open up drilling and funding solar wind and electric then turn around and present some bs bill to cover there ass yep there really looking into out side energy and how does obama differ from the current power of the house oh hes more soicallist good luck with him doing any thing he says oh and your oil speech you no vaquaro petro and those gass stations are venzualin owened and there drill rigs our 100 miles off our coast so were buying our own oil
IRAQ I BELEIVE WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE AS TO NOT SHIT ON EVERY FAMILY THAT LOST SOME ONE OVER THERE.
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HEALTH CARE goverment control = gay they choose wether yopu live or die so if you have a crimanal record fukc you if your 80 with emphozima fucky you if you have aids fukc you
ENERGY pist did you knoe the democraticly controlled house refused to vote on a republican bill to open up drilling and funing solar wind and electric then turn around and prsent some bs bill to cover there ass yep there really looking into out side energy and hoe does obama differ from the current power of the senate oh hes more soicallist good luck with him doing any thing he says oh and your oil speech you no vaquarpo petro and those gass stations are venzualin owened and there drill rigs our 100 miles off our coasts o were buying our own oil
IRAQ I BELEIVE WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE AS TO NOT SHIT ON EVERY FAMILY THAT LOST SOME ONE OVER THERE.
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what i dont get is how anyone could trust him after watching these debates and seeing the lie-o-meter going crazy when obama talks. i liked the commercial i saw the other day saying obama is for your gun rights and for the right to protect yourself with a gun. that is funny as shit when he is completely anti gun and he wants to make it so if someone breaks into your house and is going to kill you and your family and you shoot them you go to jail!!
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what i dont get is how anyone could trust him after watching these debates and seeing the lie-o-meter going crazy when obama talks. i liked the commercial i saw the other day saying obama is for your gun rights and for the right to protect yourself with a gun. that is funny as shit when he is completely anti gun and he wants to make it so if someone breaks into your house and is going to kill you and your family and you shoot them you go to jail!!
Thank you.
His record is a true account of what he has stood for.
Why can't he just articulate his anti-gun/self defense position? Maybe I'm wrong convince me. Instead he lies.
So if he will lie about that to get votes.......
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His record is a true account of what he has stood for.
Why can't he just articulate his anti-gun/self defense position? Maybe I'm wrong convince me. Instead he lies.
So if he will lie about that to get votes.......
he is a slick talker and he will get the votes of the people who dont truly pay attencion to what is going on. people who watch way too much mtv and believes paris hilton knows what she is talking about. lazy theifs also love him, hell he doesnt want us law obiding citizens to own guns so it is a free-for-all for theifs! he says he wants to raise taxes for businesses. stupid people think that wont affect the average blue collar but it will. if the company has less money they are going to pay us less and hire less people. ding this the government actually gets less taxes and puts a greater burdon on us since we dont have a fucking job! his health care plan is retarted, it is going to give people like me worse health care and my taxes are going to be higher to pay for it. everyone that is in the healthcare industry is going to be making less money.
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