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Old October 2nd, 2008, 06:37 PM   #21
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I'm on the fence still. McCain seems like more of a liar though.
about what?
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 06:58 PM   #22
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about what?
This site is actually quite helpful. Especially after a debate when they call each other liars every 5 min. I was looking for a site that would back-check what they were claiming and this is what I found.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../barack-obama/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...s/john-mccain/
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM   #23
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Obama feels that the problem with the price of gas is it "just went up too fast"..

Obama is an lawyer, he has never held a private sector job( doesn't understand business)

Obama wants to buy your vote by promising tax cuts to the middle class, (95% of you)... Guess what the top 1% of tax payers pay 50% of the tax bills. The only way to reduce your tax is screw someone else

Obama wants to increase the tax on business... Guess what, business pays your salary unless you work for the government.. When we all work for the government its called COMMUNISM

Obama wants to tax business.... Business doesn't pay taxes, You do by the business passing the costs onto the people who buy the product / service

Sorry, but the republican party is generally for business, business employs people, not government....

The republican party is pitiful by not kicking the Democrats in the balls by stepping up and calling a spade a spade ( pun intended). I'll take what we have over where we will be going if O' BLA-BLA get elected.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:06 PM   #24
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http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

I don't trust the media spin
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:06 PM   #25
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Sorry, but the republican party is generally for business, business employs people, not government....
That business is now employing chineese, mexicans, and colmbians instead of americans.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:08 PM   #26
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That business is now employing chineese, mexicans, and colmbians instead of americans.
hey dildo, i didn't say that, so don't quote me on it. PS, they are doing that because of free trade agreements put in by the dems...
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:09 PM   #27
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i'd pick other if there was the option to
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:12 PM   #28
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hey dildo, i didn't say that, so don't quote me on it. PS, they are doing that because of free trade agreements put in by the dems...
BINGO
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Thanks XXXJ, I'll have to plop down and do some reading. If anyone goes to these links, click on "# full quotes on -topic-"
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:19 PM   #30
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Thanks XXXJ, I'll have to plop down and do some reading. If anyone goes to these links, click on "# full quotes on -topic-"
http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm
Well, McCain doesn't always shine, but he's better than the alternative.
In fact his NAFTA history sucks. But Palin can get his mind right.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:25 PM   #31
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The difference between parties explained;

by the Republican - "Give me a dollar and I'll explain it."

by the Democrat - " Give me a dollar."
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:27 PM   #32
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BINGO
A)not sure why you got quoted steveo..must be a built in "stupid things people write" filter and your my default.

you guys like to assume THAT I GIVE A FAWK about what party was in power when it passed. Bush sr, started the whole damn thing rolling....

oh yeah...you are party line voters...nevermind.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:36 PM   #33
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Clinton signed the final.
Sometimes things will get support and look good on the surface. Further in they get exposed and we need to pull out. I don't mind a flip-flop because it is a bad idea. I do mind a flip-flop for public opinion.
I remember people bitching about NAFTA.
The way it was politicized I thought it was a good idea. Yeah, tell that to Flint.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:44 PM   #34
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look at what our country has turned into due to the jacka*s in office... I sure wouldn't want another one...and certainly NOT a guy who has no public speaking skills.

This country was turning to shit long before W was elected. The only person who would change things for the better is Ron Paul.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 07:47 PM   #35
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"The President. Ladies and gentlemen, today I am sending to Congress the implementing legislation for NAFTA. This will create the world's largest tariff-free zone, from the Canadian arc to the Mexican tropics, with more than 370 million consumers and over $6.5 trillion of production. It will clearly benefit America's workers. Mexican tariffs today are 2 1/2 time United States tariffs. As the walls come down we estimate that another 200,000 American jobs will be created by 1995." bill clintons speech who did what know
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=46062
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Mccain.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 08:02 PM   #37
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Mccain.
when did you get paroled?
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when did you get paroled?
I escaped.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 09:55 PM   #39
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we need change...a Republican wont make this happen.
I agree that we need change, but we need the right type of change. I don't think that Obama's promised change to a bigger, more socialist government is what we need right now. I think McCain's promised change to a leaner more thrifty government is what we need right now.
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