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Old October 2nd, 2008, 11:41 AM   #41
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No, they would be in bad shape with or without the right product right now. Nobody would have predicted the rise in fuel prices combined with this shitty economy we have right now. Their product just made them the first one out the door, which as odd as it may sound, may actually help them in the long term after they chapter 11 and re-emerge as a leaner company.
Holy shit we agree on something...
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 11:49 AM   #42
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here is a radical idea.

lets not spend the money on safety features and luxurious distractions in the cabin for better educating our drivers. all the safety shit is a direct result of bad drivers.
And the insurance industry, which also includes the seatbelt and helmet laws... Those were pushed on us by the insurance lobby who wanted to save themselves money. They don’t care about out safety, they care about their bottom line…
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I often times think that the government should stay out of as much as possible beacuse they seem to overspend and fuk up whatever they get their hands into. Unions and overseas production of parts being sold in the U.S. is something the government needs to get on top of and squash though. How the hell can the U.S. just sit and watch as the loads of economic shit hit the fan without doing anything? They need to just say "Listen, the Big Three are no longer allowed to ship their shit to other countries for cheap labor and the union is no longer existant as of right now. If you don't like these rules you will go to jail or you can get the fuk out of our country because you are part of this giant shit storm."
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some of you idiots don't seem to get it. i am not bitching about the price of their vehicles. i am pissed that they cant make a profit off them, and need rich uncle sammy to bail them out.
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some of you idiots don't seem to get it. i am not bitching about the price of their vehicles. i am pissed that they cant make a profit off them, and need rich uncle sammy to bail them out.


I don't think you get it either...
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I often times think that the government should stay out of as much as possible beacuse they seem to overspend and fuk up whatever they get their hands into. Unions and overseas production of parts being sold in the U.S. is something the government needs to get on top of and squash though. How the hell can the U.S. just sit and watch as the loads of economic shit hit the fan without doing anything? They need to just say "Listen, the Big Three are no longer allowed to ship their shit to other countries for cheap labor and the union is no longer existant as of right now. If you don't like these rules you will go to jail or you can get the fuk out of our country because you are part of this giant shit storm."

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I don't think you get it either...
i guess i dont. i know why they needed a bailout, why they are losing money, and why they are charging so much for a vehicle. its just bullshit that we are keeping these dying companies alive with our tax dollars.

P.S. you did pretty good, didnt bring up your neon once in this thread.
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some of you idiots don't seem to get it. i am not bitching about the price of their vehicles. i am pissed that they cant make a profit off them, and need rich uncle sammy to bail them out.
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 12:03 PM   #49
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They won't change until the Government quits bailing them all out to include any and all business bail-outs... Natural selection comes to mind in a business setting, the solvent profitable businesses will survive and the failing mismanaged ones will fail... Survival of the fittest!!!!!
A loan is much different than a bailout. I think we need to fix our "global economy" view. If a country slaps a tarrif on goods we should do the same to them...We need to stop the free product dumping in the US.
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Would you be crying the blues if the government told you that you HAD to do something by a certain date and it would cost you billions of dollars that you don't have?!?!?
welcome to the oil industry.
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welcome to the oil industry.
Right, and they get lots of money from Uncle Sam and huge tax breaks. Geeez....
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i guess i dont. i know why they needed a bailout, why they are losing money, and why they are charging so much for a vehicle. its just bullshit that we are keeping these dying companies alive with our tax dollars.

P.S. you did pretty good, didnt bring up your neon once in this thread.


The foreign companies charge just as much for comparable vehicles.

It may be bullshit we're keeping them alive or helping with our tax dollars, but the result of not doing so and having all three fail would be a much worse circumstance.
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Right, and they get lots of money from Uncle Sam and huge tax breaks. Geeez....
when has the oil industry received 25 billion dollars in bailout money?
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The foreign companies charge just as much for comparable vehicles.

It may be bullshit we're keeping them alive or helping with our tax dollars, but the result of not doing so and having all three fail would be a much worse circumstance.
so, i can buy a 1 ton diesel from Toyota?
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when has the oil industry received 25 billion dollars in bailout money?
They don't, but they get tax breaks. Same result, two different roads on how they got there.
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so, i can buy a 1 ton diesel from Toyota?
I wasn't relating specifically to one type of vehicle.

BTW, Hino is owned by Toyota, so you can get something bigger than a 1 ton from Toyota.
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when has the oil industry received 25 billion dollars in bailout money?
I don't believe a gave a dollar figure, it doesn't matter anyway. They get money from Uncle Sam, which seems to be ok with you, but it isn't ok for the auto industry? Some logic ya got slick...
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They don't, but they get tax breaks. Same result, two different roads on how they got there.
everyone gets tax breaks. due to our economic situation, the oil industry is making a lot of money. they don't set the prices, but they benefit from them in the short term. are you saying we should tax companies with a higher profit margin more than companies that are losing money?
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I don't believe a gave a dollar figure, it doesn't matter anyway. They get money from Uncle Sam, which seems to be ok with you, but it isn't ok for the auto industry? Some logic ya got slick...
how do they get money from uncle sam? if your talking loans, your a fucktard. a bailout is different than a loan.
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everyone gets tax breaks. due to our economic situation, the oil industry is making a lot of money. they don't set the prices, but they benefit from them in the short term. are you saying we should tax companies with a higher profit margin more than companies that are losing money?
I think there should be a flat tax for everyone personally.
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