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Old September 27th, 2008, 02:54 PM   #101
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If the Republicans haven't overturned Roe v Wade yet, it's unlikely the Democrats can repeal the 2nd amendment.
The second amendment stands, but firearms are all but banned in Illinois.
Home state of you know who, but that is off topic.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #102
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The second amendment stands, but firearms are all but banned in Illinois.
Home state of you know who, but that is off topic.
Don't blame it on the hippie

If enough Illinois gun owning voters went to the polls and voted out those with anti-gun records, they wouldn't have all those regulations.


If Obama were president, he couldn't restrict guns himself, only sign gun laws passed to him from congress.

That was more my point.

Out gov't is set up so one person doesn't wield all the authority, like the monarchy we split from 232 years ago.

And for the record, I don't own guns (welll.. a couple CO2 guns but they really don't count) but I think gun control laws are BS since criminals by definition do not follow the law....


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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:17 PM   #103
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You mean the Democratic congress lead by Pelosi?




But you miss the point. It's Obamas deception that should concern you.

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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:23 PM   #104
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No, I understand your point fine, unfortunately deception is stock and trade for politicians.

The problem stems from 'voters' that only vote in the 'big elections' and don't get involved in local politics.
When you vote, you may not get the candidate you want, but when you don't vote you get the candidate you deserve.

(Not saying you don't vote, I have no idea if you do or don't. But with most local elections reporting 25% or less turnout, a LOT of people aren't voting and you can bet they aren't all liberals)
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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #105
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No, I understand your point fine, unfortunately deception is stock and trade for politicians.

The problem stems from 'voters' that only vote in the 'big elections' and don't get involved in local politics.
When you vote, you may not get the candidate you want, but when you don't vote you get the candidate you deserve.

(Not saying you don't vote, I have no idea if you do or don't. But with most local elections reporting 25% or less turnout, a LOT of people aren't voting and you can bet they aren't all liberals)
this is a breakdown of the people who voted in 2004.
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ng/004986.html

do you see a trend there?
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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #106
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Well we got guns in here, now for God and gays.
I was disappointed Obama didn't call McCain on his record on veteran's affairs.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #107
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this is a breakdown of the people who voted in 2004.
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ng/004986.html

do you see a trend there?
Yes, the white man is screwing himself.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 03:49 PM   #108
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yeah, but that wasn't my point...
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Old September 27th, 2008, 04:06 PM   #109
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I thought they both did quite well in their own ways, but I noticed that McCain seemed to dodge direct questions quite a bit more than Obama. I think to figure out who did the best is to take about a week and review the entire debate to figure out which statements were true, false, or twisted. It seemed like about a quarter of the debate consisted of one calling the other a liar.

Overall, I like that Obama wants to change the course of actoin to move to Afgahnistan and take some troops out of Iraq. I also like the mild tax break for middle class, but raising taxes for upper class, which will have to happen to balance the budget could have a side effect of more companies moving out of the country. McCain knows a lot and has done a lot. This means that he has a lot of experience, but it also means that he may have picked up a lot of bad habits.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 04:07 PM   #110
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Well we got guns in here, now for God and gays.
I was disappointed Obama didn't call McCain on his record on veteran's affairs.
Wrong forum
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Old September 27th, 2008, 04:11 PM   #111
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Well we got guns in here, now for God and gays.
I was disappointed Obama didn't call McCain on his record on veteran's affairs.

did anyone really want to hear grandpa's war story again, it's not like there isn't a book on the subject
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Old September 27th, 2008, 04:45 PM   #112
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yeah because it really matters who wins. I hope B.O wins, we need someone who is a complete moron to take over and really bring down this sinking ship. We'll call him "americas last ditch effort"....
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Old September 27th, 2008, 07:03 PM   #113
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we need someone who is a complete moron to take over and really bring down this sinking ship. We'll call him "americas last ditch effort"....
He won the election in 04.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 07:09 PM   #114
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Sorry - I was in a tree waiting for Bambi and missed the fun.

My thoughts:

Is Obama running against McCain or Bush? - I think he said Bush's name almost as many times as McCain's. If I was McCain, I think that I would've asked him.

Note to Barack: it's "Senator McCain", not "John" to you in this setting. Your attempt at familiarity comes off flippant.

I'm inclined to give Obama a slight advantage in this debate. I don't know if it's because he's better in that setting, or McCain thought it was going to be cancelled and was not as well-prepared, but Obama was more polished and smooth - even when giving vague "soundbite" answers.

However, like the Bush/Kerry debates we again have a who is supposed to be the better debater, better speaker, and better on their feet. And again, we have a who is a weaker debater and less verbally agile. And, like four years ago, the emerged as a narrow winner - in an environment that favored them, where they should've hit a home run.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 07:24 PM   #115
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sounds like sexual tension between the 2. they both want to bite the pillow
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Old September 27th, 2008, 07:27 PM   #116
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Note to Barack: it's "Senator McCain", not "John" to you in this setting. Your attempt at familiarity comes off flippant.

I have heard a few people say that, I didn't take it that way at all...but maybe I'm just young and disrespectful . I could see it maybe if Obama was a nobody, or didn't have any political position...but since they are both senators, and running against each other...I believe they should both be on a first name basis.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 07:43 PM   #117
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I have heard a few people say that, I didn't take it that way at all...but maybe I'm just young and disrespectful . I could see it maybe if Obama was a nobody, or didn't have any political position...but since they are both senators, and running against each other...I believe they should both be on a first name basis.
Obama is a freshman Senator - McCain is a senior Senator. McCain referred to him by title, as Obama should have done. This was a Presidential debate, not a cocktail party...
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Old September 27th, 2008, 08:10 PM   #118
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Note to Barack: it's "Senator McCain", not "John" to you in this setting. Your attempt at familiarity comes off flippant.

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But Obama was very polite when stating McCain was correct, but some repubs took that the wrong way.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 07:12 AM   #119
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you can support gun control, and still support the 2nd amendment.

How? It's impossible to make laws about gun control that don't contridict the "shall not be infringed" part of the the second amendment.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #120
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He won the election in 04.

He won in 2000, I don't support W, I don't support McCain, nor do I support B.O. Ron Paul on the other hand, there is a man who knows what he is talking about, he knows what is bringing this country to it's knees, and how to fix it. I think change scares non-thinking americans, they want things to get better, yet remain the same.
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