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Old October 2nd, 2008, 10:53 AM   #41
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WAT?
in all my checking he has only held two positions(1and a half since he spent more time running for pre. than doing his job)
and i can only find one position biden has held
so dem ticket onl held 3(2 and a half) political positions

and palin has held five just my checking granted hers was like city council women and pta pres. but still more than barack and biden.
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in all my checking he has only held two positions(1and a half since he spent more time running for pre. than doing his job)
and i can only find one position biden has held
so dem ticket onl held 3(2 and a half) political positions

and palin has held five just my checking granted hers was like city council women and pta pres. but still more than barack and biden.
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he said the whole democratic ticket...um, I think that includes Biden.
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Media this........experience that..............


Wow, just wow.



FYI, I can find a radio/tv/daily/periodical to support or repute anything said in the public light. Some lean left, some lean right. Some just see the truth, report it and then are called liberal/conservative hacks by the side that has been offended.

I can not, and will not swallow this idea that ALL media is "in the tank" for Obama.



As far as experience and Palin. My opinion: She has experience as a small town mayor and Governor of a sparsely populated state with a limit to it's diversity as compared to the rest of the U.S.

What I see in her interviews is a person that is not engaged in the national or international dialogue outside of a few issues that she feels strongly about.
She can talk abortion (i.e. Row v. Wade) but can not identify a single other matter taken up by the Supreme Court, even in recent times.
If someone were to ask you where you get your news from, you would be able to answer with at least a few of your sources, wouldn't you? I read the Freep, the Detroit News, the Daily Tribune, MSNBC, CNN, and a few periodicals when they are available. How can she not give the name of a single publication or outlet? Not engaged.

Even if she gets it down with her cram session before the debate she has not been fully engaged.



One thing that has come up a lot is whether a person is inside/outside Washington. I would like to see someone from outside of the Beltway shake things up. We have seen it in the past with Carter, Reagan, Clinton and George W. Bush. All 4 had never held a position in Washington (Bush ran for a Rep seat at one time) and came to D.C. as a state Governor. In this they have something in common with Palin. The one thing Palin does not have in common with these 4 men is the desire to be engaged with the national stage. The 4 were not grabbed out of the blue and thrust into the spotlight. They actively sought the position through their party. It seems Palin was plucked out of the blue. She has said herself that she never aspired to national office and was not even sure of the full responsibilities of the office of VP. I compare her to the 4 presidents simply because of convenience, impact and the fact she will be closer the the top office than most new VP's simply because of McCain's age and medical history.


Another observation on Palin. When she is engaged in a subject (very few) like abortion as mentioned above, she can be specific. But, on most subject she goes off on a tangent. She uses a lot of words yet there is little if any substance. When questioned about Foreign Policy, she gives no specifics to support the idea that she has a lot of experince. Instead she talks about Putin raising his head, and being able to see Russia from an Alaskan Island. (I have never heard her say she can see Russia from her house, nor have I heard her say/imply that she herself has actually seen Russia from Alaska. In fact, the chief of the tribe occupying Little Diomode Island said that not 1 Governor has ever been to the island in 50 years of statehood)) She is very vague.

She reminds me of a fellow student in a chemistry class in College. When we were given the opportunity to set the tenor of the final exam, he argued for an exam consisting of 100% essay. Of course he would, he was given the gift of gab. You know, a professional BullShitter. He could convince you to agree with him through words. If you litened to his words though, there was no substance, only words. A lot of general vague ides but nothing specific. He did it in class, he did it on papers. I think he was a used car salesman.

I know I am rambling on, but I have been adding thoughts when I have a minute for a while now.

Readers Digest Version: Palin, good in Alaska, has not paid attention outside Alaska till picked by McCain. Very vague except for a few close to home issues. Not yet engaged in the national/international dialogue.
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Who fucking cares how many houses and cars they own? I could give a flying fukc less.

Obama is black I'm not, but McCain is white. Which one better represents me (half Polish half Ukrainian) there?

Obama grew up in a Muslim country, McCain grew up in the States. Which one better represents me there?

Both are politicians, I am not. Which one better represents me there?
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yeah, obama doesn't know how to make money and McCain does. obama is so noble, he chooses not to buy jets and houses. your a idiot.
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obama reminds me of a fellow student in a chemistry class in College. When we were given the opportunity to set the tenor of the final exam, he argued for an exam consisting of 100% essay. Of course he would, he was given the gift of gab. You know, a professional BullShitter. He could convince you to agree with him through words. If you litened to his words though, there was no substance, only words. A lot of general vague ides but nothing specific. He did it in class, he did it on papers. I think he was a used car salesman.
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C'mon Mike - you know the one theing they can't sell Obama on is experience (little) or track record (virtually none).

That's his whole strength: speaks extremely well (if a little elitist), hasn't been in the Senate long enough to be tied to anything, and pushes "change" (well, except for his first choice of an exaggerating, plagarizing serial second runner-up as VP).


I don't know how this stacks up to other congressmen with similar time in office, but "little" and "virtually none"? I would say he has not been sitting around twiddling his thumbs.

For more information on Obama's record in the U.S. Senate:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629

This site has information on all congressmen, knock yourselves out. If you have a question about a person individual involvement on a bill, search the actual congresssional sites.





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Barack Obama sits on the following committees:
Member, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Chairman, Subcommittee on European Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on African Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection
Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on Ad Hoc Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration
Member, Subcommittee on Investigations
Member, Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security
Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs



Statistics: Barack Obama has sponsored 121 bills since Jan 24, 2005, of which 116 haven't made it out of committee and 2 were successfully enacted. Obama has co-sponsored 490 bills during the same time period. (Starting Sept 17, 2008, these numbers do not include resolutions.) (These numbers may be low, I have seen higher numbers elsewhere and will search for them later.....or some of you can look as well, in the interest of factual reporting)
Barack Obama missed 306 (24%) of 1287 votes since Jan 6, 2005.

Of course there is the 8 years in the Illinois legislature as well.

Seems there has been a lot of work on bipartisan ethics reform among other things.
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yeah, obama doesn't know how to make money and McCain does. obama is so noble, he chooses not to buy jets and houses. your a idiot.
well, people seem to like to vote for people who are more like them...like the shitkickers who voted for bush...maybe it will work for obama.
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well, people seem to like to vote for people who are more like them...like the shitkickers who voted for bush...maybe it will work for obama.
i wish i had been 18 for the 2000 election, then i could have been able to be satisfied that i had voted for bush twice.
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hi, welcome to politics. the most believable bullshitter is usually elected.


Thank you both for dismissing my observations, rather than discussing them like adults.

Hey Duffy, where are ya buddy, I need mature discourse.
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I don't know how this stacks up to other congressmen with similar time in office, but "little" and "virtually none"? I would say he has not been sitting around twiddling his thumbs.

For more information on Obama's record in the U.S. Senate:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629

This site has information on all congressmen, knock yourselves out. If you have a question about a person individual involvement on a bill, search the actual congresssional sites.






Of course there is the 8 years in the Illinois legislature as well.

Seems there has been a lot of work on bipartisan ethics reform among other things.
but he has only held two political positions how can he be qaulified thats less than most mayors
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well, people seem to like to vote for people who are more like them...like the shitkickers who voted for bush...maybe it will work for obama.
Obama is nothing like me....

To be quite honest, neither is McCain or Bush.
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Who fucking cares how many houses and cars they own? I could give a flying fukc less.

Obama is black I'm not, but McCain is white. Which one better represents me (half Polish half Ukrainian) there?

Obama grew up in a Muslim country, McCain grew up in the States. Which one better represents me there?

Both are politicians, I am not. Which one better represents me there?
I disagree with you, but not.
I am Polish/Uke/Russian, but Obama has used his race for his sense of entitlement. The only thing my race has bought me is to step back to let a (minority) go to the head of the line.

The Quran teaches to kill the infadel that won't convert. A muslims word given to an infadel does not count and may be broken. I am not a muslim.

Obama has ostercized/disrespected the military, police and firefighters of this country. Thats me.

Obama selectivly supports the first amendment and has worked to weaken the second amendment. That makes him a non-starter.

I don't think everyone needs a $check$. If you want a check, get a job. If you want health insurance, get a job that has it. Life is about choices, use some.

John McCain is a gallant warrior, patriot, and experienced reformist. Sarah Palin is a self made woman outside the DC circle, refromist, and proven executive. I would like to think those two represent me.

And for the record, McCain got his money the old fashion way, he married it. Cindy is rich. I mean really, really rich.

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Obama is nothing like me....

To be quite honest, neither is McCain or Bush.


Damn, I finally agree with you on something
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Personally they may not be, but thinking and ideas they might be which is what matters.
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