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Old September 30th, 2008, 06:45 AM   #21
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Erin's dad has a 28' or 29' SeaRay. I don't know what model but I think it looks nice. He totally rebuilt the cabin a while ago and it looks great. I was suprised to find that he only has twin 4.3 V6s in there for that size of a boat. He must not have gotten the higher end model.

He also had a 18' Four Winns for a few years but sold that.


That Pachanga looks very nice. But then again, I know nothing about boats other than I want one.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 06:53 AM   #22
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Yeah, they have been a big help!
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #23
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Update, I went and looked at both Pachangas, one in Ohio and one in Michigan, both were disappointing to say the least. Now I am currently looking at a 1992 201 liberator with a 351.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 10:04 PM   #24
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good luck with that.. hope there not the omc set up but with a 351 I bet it is.. i hate omc outdrives
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Old October 10th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #25
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good luck with that.. hope there not the omc set up but with a 351 I bet it is.. i hate omc outdrives
x2 i used to work at a marina, omc is junk.
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Old October 13th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #26
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Well, despite the above comments, we gave the guy a deposit and are going to meet up later this week to pay him the rest of the cash and pick it up.

Here are a few pics, I will get better ones once we get her home...
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Old October 13th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #27
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congrats the thing looks clean how does the engine room look? how many hours and when where the bellows last done? should be a fun ride i always liked the lines of that model year... but yes you should find a GOOD omc outdrive guy and visit him yearly and tip him with his favorite adult beverage....
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Well, despite the above comments, we gave the guy a deposit and are going to meet up later this week to pay him the rest of the cash and pick it up.

Here are a few pics, I will get better ones once we get her home...
hopefully if it had an omc drive you lowballed him big time. The merc outdrives are a lot better.
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congrats the thing looks clean how does the engine room look? how many hours and when where the bellows last done? should be a fun ride i always liked the lines of that model year... but yes you should find a GOOD omc outdrive guy and visit him yearly and tip him with his favorite adult beverage....
Bellows?

The engine room is spotless and it only has 240 hours on it...
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hopefully if it had an omc drive you lowballed him big time. The merc outdrives are a lot better.
I got it for less than what he was asking, but I didn't low ball him. I like the fact that it has a Ford motor in it, although, the way you guys make it sound, I might regret it?
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Bellows = the rubber boot that seals the bilge/outdrive/transom assembly.

OMC Outdrive = tough to find replacement parts and a guy who is willing to work on one. Post on speedwake and ask who the omc outdrive guy is in michigan and then do as trendsetter said, buy the guy a 12'er.

Ford motors are fine, just so happens that in general the GM motors are more popular in marine applications. Also its more about the drive, the merc drives are much more popular and easier to get fixed.
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Bellows = the rubber boot that seals the bilge/outdrive/transom assembly.

OMC Outdrive = tough to find replacement parts and a guy who is willing to work on one. Post on speedwake and ask who the omc outdrive guy is in michigan and then do as trendsetter said, buy the guy a 12'er.

Ford motors are fine, just so happens that in general the GM motors are more popular in marine applications. Also its more about the drive, the merc drives are much more popular and easier to get fixed.
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Bellows = the rubber boot that seals the bilge/outdrive/transom assembly.

OMC Outdrive = tough to find replacement parts and a guy who is willing to work on one. Post on speedwake and ask who the omc outdrive guy is in michigan and then do as trendsetter said, buy the guy a 12'er.

Ford motors are fine, just so happens that in general the GM motors are more popular in marine applications. Also its more about the drive, the merc drives are much more popular and easier to get fixed.
If a problem ever arises, how hard is it to switch from a king cobra drive to a bravo 1?
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talk to 201 liberator on speedwake, he did exactly that, has a maroon and white 201 with a healthy 383.

Very nice guy.

I would imagine it only has to do with glassing in a few holes, drilling new ones and a couple of couplers/adapters to bolt up to your motor.
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talk to 201 liberator on speedwake, he did exactly that, has a maroon and white 201 with a healthy 383.

Very nice guy.

I would imagine it only has to do with glassing in a few holes, drilling new ones and a couple of couplers/adapters to bolt up to your motor.
Well, hopefully it doesn't come to that. I just talked with my uncle, a huge boater his whole life and he has 3 phone numbers in his cell of people who are very knowledgeable about OMC KC drives. i don't plan on beating on this boat, the only thing I would like is a nice lab finished prop. :)
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lab finished prop is a waste of money in my opinion. Espescially on a not super fast fairly heavy stern drive.

Labbed props help small hydrostreams, allisons, tunnel hulls, drag racers etc gain 3-6 mph top end or shave tenths of seconds of 1/4 times.

Otherwise on a pleasure boat your talking about anywhere from a 3-6 mph loss to a 3-6 mph gain and shorter prop life....I just dont think its worth it.
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Since you have all winter to look, I would try and find something with a Merc outdrive. In the price range and size your looking, you defiantly don't have limited options. Even if your not an SBC (or BBC) fan, they are damn near bulletproof, and parts are EVERYWHERE.


I've always been a big Mirage fan in the 22' length because they are ridiculously well built, have a perfect bottom for the tight chop in the big lakes, and are rare enough that you don't see them much.

Just another option.

When my father was looking for 30+ footers we found a Pachanga with blown 502's, arneson surface drives, and HUGE K planes on it... probably didn't even touch 90 with the weight and hull design. Could never figure that one out *lol*
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Since you have all winter to look, I would try and find something with a Merc outdrive. In the price range and size your looking, you defiantly don't have limited options. Even if your not an SBC (or BBC) fan, they are damn near bulletproof, and parts are EVERYWHERE.


I've always been a big Mirage fan in the 22' length because they are ridiculously well built, have a perfect bottom for the tight chop in the big lakes, and are rare enough that you don't see them much.

Just another option.

When my father was looking for 30+ footers we found a Pachanga with blown 502's, arneson surface drives, and HUGE K planes on it... probably didn't even touch 90 with the weight and hull design. Could never figure that one out *lol*
Oh I know I have plenty of time to look, but this is what I want. After looking at the pachanga, it is a we bit too small inside the cockpit / cabin. The liberator is the length I want (easy to tow with the Jeep) and it has more room inside. The OMC drive doesn't really concern me since people in my area know how to work on them.

As far as the SBC and BBC go, I have owned and been around boats my whole life. I am well aware of the abundance of GM engines, mercruiser drives, and mechanics that know how to work on them. I want the Ford motor, and I don't think I could find one with a mercruiser drive on it...lol
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x10 on the Chevy + Merc.
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Ok I get it, merc is favored....
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