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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:52 PM   #81
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Debates are a dog and pony show. Nothing substantive comes from debates
So what's going to come from John McCain's presence in Washington?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:53 PM   #82
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What is he going to do in Washington to try to solve our economic 'problam'?
Is he not a member of congress? Congress makes laws remember? Something about a $700B bailout that is about to become law?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 12:55 PM   #83
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Is he not a member of congress? Congress makes laws remember? Something about a $700B bailout that is about to become law?
And we're officially back to the beginning!

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Does he need to suspend his campaign to do it?

Does he need to publicize the suspension of his campaign to the degree that he has?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #84
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he is not pro second adment he has talked of more gun control including banding "asult wepons again" and if u pay attion he has ties to a weather under ground
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpr...-to-terrorism/
Lets try a website that most accept as a little less biased, shall we?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

They actually research the claims.

Yes, he knew William Ayers, a former member of the Weathermen Underground in the 60's and 70's. They both taught at a Chicago University and lived in the saem neighborhood. A fund raiser was held in Ayers home. But, there is no record of donations from Ayers to Obama, and no evidence that they were more than acquantainces.

I am sure with a little looking around you can find more information on the site I linked to. The one you suggest is obviously very biased.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 01:33 PM   #85
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And we're officially back to the beginning!
Dunno I thought the answer was back there somewhere. Unless Im going to cut and past "How a bill becomes a law" then I guess I still dont understand your resistance to mccain's actions.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 01:39 PM   #86
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Dunno I thought the answer was back there somewhere. Unless Im going to cut and past "How a bill becomes a law" then I guess I still dont understand your resistance to mccain's actions.
I couldn't find it.

Did I resist it or just say I didn't like the fact that this seems like a big publicity move?

Is his action of "suspending his campaign" enough to solve our 'economic crisis'? If not, then what actions are being performed by McCain that couldn't have been performed if he was still campaigning?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 01:40 PM   #87
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if i recall obama was refusing to debate in june
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...4/1110326.aspx
and now he wants to debate he refused to camaping in state after state with a debate
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Yup, heard that on the news this week.

All I hear is people saying they want to hear about the issues.

I'm sick of listening to talk, I'd rather see action.

To each his own I guess...


Um, guys, Obama never said he would not debate. McCain offered his vision of how he would like things to be handled. Obama later counter offered. The campaigns spend a lot of time working out the details. They both want to be in the best place possible for their candidate.


As far as what is going on today, even with the so called suspension, McCain stayed in New York till sometime this morning. He is basically going to D.C. and the first official thing he will do is go to the White House photo-op. In case you have not heard, both sides are saying that there is an agreement in principle. There are people that have been working on this for a good 5 or days already.
You can take this for what it is worth. Senator Dodd made the statement on a news show yesterday that Obama had been in touch with him several times over the last week, about the economic situation. McCain had not attempted to contact him at all. The first Dodd heard about McCain's desire to get involved was yesterday "Campaign Suspension" speech. Seems to me that Obama is involved, to whatever degree, but not grandstanding about it. Instead he extends the hand of bipartisanship in asking McCain to join him in a joint statement.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #88
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Is he not a member of congress? Congress makes laws remember? Something about a $700B bailout that is about to become law?
McCain would have limited involvement, as would Obama. The Banking committee is elbows deep in this. As are other committees. At least until an agreement is reached, then it goes to the floor for debate and voting. In this situation, agreement will almost be unanimous before it reaches the floor. Yes, there will be some who will talk against it.

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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #89
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im just glad some one is finaly doing what they are being hired for but of course there is a certain political group in this country that never takes responsibilty for its actions and the rep have to clean it up but thell still bitch about it in the process because its the only form of communication they understand as far as my sources go we could go with actuall facts like obama never disproved he was more than aquantaces with the terrorist and in this case disproving is alot more important than proving.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:23 PM   #90
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im just glad some one is finaly doing what they are being hired for
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I like when production workers keep their mouths shut even when they see a problem with the process. The process is the engineer's concern, not theirs.

I like when I see people only doing what they were hired to do, and nothing more.

If crap breaks...it's someone else's fault anyway....right???
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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:29 PM   #91
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right like when the democratic congress refused to vote on an energy bill and oil prices doubled they blamed bush not there lazzyness
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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:45 PM   #92
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You can take this for what it is worth. Senator Dodd made the statement on a news show yesterday that Obama had been in touch with him several times over the last week, about the economic situation. McCain had not attempted to contact him at all. The first Dodd heard about McCain's desire to get involved was yesterday "Campaign Suspension" speech. Seems to me that Obama is involved, to whatever degree, but not grandstanding about it. Instead he extends the hand of bipartisanship in asking McCain to join him in a joint statement.
Right, Dodd. Talk about being asleep at the wheel. Im not sure he has a clue whats been going on for the past year much less the past week.

Strangely enough chairman dodds response to the treasury department plan has become invisible. http://banking.senate.gov/public/_fi...posal92208.pdf
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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:53 PM   #93
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im just glad some one is finaly doing what they are being hired for but of course there is a certain political group in this country that never takes responsibilty for its actions and the rep have to clean it up but thell still bitch about it in the process because its the only form of communication they understand as far as my sources go we could go with actuall facts like obama never disproved he was more than aquantaces with the terrorist and in this case disproving is alot more important than proving.


You are right, disproving IS more important than proving.

It is said that a seed of doubt can be planted and even a ton of proof can not change the minds of some.

Please, if you have actual facts to back up your claims, I am willing to consider your claims. And I am not talking about twisted, spun, partisan rhetoric.


I am fully aware that both sides of the aisle are part of the problem, not to mention the White House itself. This does not change year to year, issue to issue, administration to administration.

I have heard a lot said that the Democratic congress has done nothing in the past (less than) 2 years. Let us not forget that the President stated many time that bills he does not like would get vetoed. And he has used his veto power more in the past >2 years than in the previous 6. This included bipartisan bills as well as those supported mostly by the . Even the bill McCain supported a couple of years ago involving the conomy was vetoed by Bush. Without a 60% majority, the can not over turn a veto. They barely hold a simple majority and not many have crossed the aisle in that time on the more important and controversial bills. I am not trying to defend the Democrats, I am just trying to make some sense of the gongressional record since they took "power"

But, the 6 years before they got the "power, the Republicans had power with a republican in the white house. A lot of things were passed easily because the agenda was accepted in the legislative and executive branches. Pretty easy pickings at that time. Why did they not see this coming? Why did they not act earlier?

And what about the people in Bush's cabinet today? Where have they been lately? WHy could they not see it coming and say something?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #94
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You are right, disproving IS more important than proving.

It is said that a seed of doubt can be planted and even a ton of proof can not change the minds of some.

Please, if you have actual facts to back up your claims, I am willing to consider your claims. And I am not talking about twisted, spun, partisan rhetoric.


I am fully aware that both sides of the aisle are part of the problem, not to mention the White House itself. This does not change year to year, issue to issue, administration to administration.

I have heard a lot said that the Democratic congress has done nothing in the past (less than) 2 years. Let us not forget that the President stated many time that bills he does not like would get vetoed. And he has used his veto power more in the past >2 years than in the previous 6. This included bipartisan bills as well as those supported mostly by the . Even the bill McCain supported a couple of years ago involving the conomy was vetoed by Bush. Without a 60% majority, the can not over turn a veto. They barely hold a simple majority and not many have crossed the aisle in that time on the more important and controversial bills. I am not trying to defend the Democrats, I am just trying to make some sense of the gongressional record since they took "power"

But, the 6 years before they got the "power, the Republicans had power with a republican in the white house. A lot of things were passed easily because the agenda was accepted in the legislative and executive branches. Pretty easy pickings at that time. Why did they not see this coming? Why did they not act earlier?

And what about the people in Bush's cabinet today? Where have they been lately? WHy could they not see it coming and say something?
see what u just said contadicts obamas entire campaing that bush and mcain are one in the same. i dont know why bush did not act on this topic i dunno why they couldnt see this comming. no action is the same as doing bad if u see a murder and dont call the cops arnt u as bad as the murderer if u see the economy failing and laugh because ull still be paid arent you as bad as the people who caused it to fail
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Old September 25th, 2008, 03:19 PM   #95
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all this shit is doing nothing but make washington and the united states look like a bunch of imbeciles. here is the fucking plan amigos.

1. announce that all executives of fannie may, freddie mac, lehman, aig are going to be right now thrown in jail immediately for the length of the investigation and will be facing the death penalty. the american people will not be responsible for their corrupt greed.

YOU WATCH HOW EFFING QUICK THESE GUYS START WRITING CHECKS BACK FOR THAT MONEY.

IT IS TIME FOR US AMERICAN CITIZENS TO DROP THE PREVERBIAL HAMMER ON THESE POLITICIANS.!!! load the guns and head for washington.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #96
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Old September 25th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #97
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see what u just said contadicts obamas entire campaing that bush and mcain are one in the same. i dont know why bush did not act on this topic i dunno why they couldnt see this comming. no action is the same as doing bad if u see a murder and dont call the cops arnt u as bad as the murderer if u see the economy failing and laugh because ull still be paid arent you as bad as the people who caused it to fail

No, it does not contradict Obama's campaign. If you were to listen all along, instead of just getting info from limited biased sources, you would see that Obama has commended McCain for the things he has done in the past, especially in a non partisan way. But that was pretty much limited to a narrow period of time and then business as usual. He has supported Bush a lot since the early 2000's. He has also flip his stance on many subjects.

Personally, I think a lot of the criticism of McCain is spot on (I can't believe I just used that term), not all of it, but a lot of it.

Not a whole lot of talk about his seeming problem with his right eye yet. A little drooping going on. Simple explanation or chronic problem?
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Old September 25th, 2008, 11:05 PM   #98
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if i recall obama was refusing to debate in june
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...4/1110326.aspx
and now he wants to debate he refused to camaping in state after state with a debate
Apples to oranges. In June Obama refused to accept an invitation to a townhall style meeting that was set up by McCain. Obama had no say in how things were laid out. McCain was trying to evade a debate that he (and Obama) already had a hand and a say in setting up. Debates should be created under equal terms based on requests from each candidates. Think of it like Pinks. You certainly wouldn't race someone on their home track when they set up all the strings without any say would you???
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