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Old October 19th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #21
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Look at newer boats. The 80's were full of pastels.
Not all new boats bucked the pastel theme

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Old October 19th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #22
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yes but you see that has an apache symbol on the side, so its either much older then you think, or as with all apaches, it has a horrible paint job. They however make up for it by absolutely being the king of all V-hulls in the rough. And of course being the most storied boat/drug smuggling/offshore racing/murder for hire/company in all of offshore.


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catch the air at 226 nice.

And with Lambo's Fawkin Sweet sound

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More gay apache paint

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More gay paint.

Baddest V-hull offshore every.
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Old October 19th, 2008, 05:29 PM   #24
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I love Apache boats. They are built like a tank and have a fast hull... which is a hard combo for other boat manufacturers.

I also think (behind Checkmates) they are some of the ugliest offshores made.

Your first video pretty much captures (to an extreme extent) everything I love about boating. And this is also why I don't have a boat of my own, fast and flat is boring, and I can't afford anything else :lol:
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Old October 19th, 2008, 06:27 PM   #25
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In that first video they talked about throttle control. So is he letting off when the boat is airborn and back on it as soon as it touches again?
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Old October 19th, 2008, 06:50 PM   #26
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In that first video they talked about throttle control. So is he letting off when the boat is airborn and back on it as soon as it touches again?
Yep.

In racing you have a throttle man and a driver. Each job requires so much attention at that speed that it would be impossible to do both and be competitive.

Both the driver and the throttle man are looking well ahead of the boat at the chop. They are looking for patterns, breaks, etc... Both wheel man and throttle man will usually anticipate each others movements.

As soon as the drives come out of the water the motors go from full load to almost no load. It's a throttle man's job to back off just before they spin out, and get back in the throttle when they come in. The speed at which he goes from 0 throttle back into the throttle depends on some other factors as well.

The drivers main concern is to keep the boat on that path that involves the least airtime, all the while making sure his corrections don't cause unsafe handling/flying of the boat.

Driving fast over rough water is some of the most fun I have ever had behind the wheel of anything. Going from full engine noise and a rough ride to smooth air and only the noise of the wind is seriously addicting... although counterproductive to going fast.

Reading the waves and getting a feel for what is going to come next is a lot of the reason I love offshore boating
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Old October 19th, 2008, 07:49 PM   #27
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In that first video they talked about throttle control. So is he letting off when the boat is airborn and back on it as soon as it touches again?
Yup, you'll either blow drives, or motors if you don't throttle well.

There is a video that shows very poor throttling, but the guy does time it perfectly once, I'll try to find it.
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You can hear him getting the rev limiter a ton, but at 1:26 he is spot on.
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In racing you have a throttle man and a driver. Each job requires so much attention at that speed that it would be impossible to do both and be competitive.
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2 hands on my steering wheel, one foot on my trim buttons and one foot on the gas pedal
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41 apache's are probasbly the coolest boat ever....gay paint again.
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Old October 19th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #31
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2 hands on my steering wheel, one foot on my trim buttons and one foot on the gas pedal
We had the same setup on the Gambler bass boat years ago (maybe 96 or so) Trust me, it needed it
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We had the same setup on the Gambler bass boat years ago (maybe 96 or so) Trust me, it needed it
Yeah, two hands on the wheel is a good thing :)
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Those boats running big blocks or some sort of aircraft engines?

Thats got to be harder than hell to time waves at that speed.
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Old October 19th, 2008, 10:23 PM   #34
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Those boats running big blocks or some sort of aircraft engines?

Thats got to be harder than hell to time waves at that speed.
Usually well-built, high-end big blocks.
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Those boats running big blocks or some sort of aircraft engines?

Thats got to be harder than hell to time waves at that speed.
Warpath was running keith Eickert motors, typically a GM derived big block motor.

THe one boat had lambo v-12's in it.

Sol goode aint got nothing on those fools
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Warpath was running keith Eickert motors, typically a GM derived big block motor.

THe one boat had lambo v-12's in it.

Sol goode aint got nothing on those fools
I am putting twin eco-tecs in my boat
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I am putting twin eco-tecs in my boat
I believe I can help you get about 600 reliable hp each.

1200 each if you want to run for half an afternoon.

1600 each if you want to go really fast, then die.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 08:13 PM   #38
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THe one boat had lambo v-12's in it.

Sol goode aint got nothing on those fools
When I sold boats (Formula go-fasts) we had one 402 customer ordered with the Lambo engines, when Mercruiser sold them (mid-80s). Cool engines - I don't recall the pricing, but it was insane, like 3X the price of a 502 TRS Merc.

The guy got the 402 40' Formula speedboat with black gelcoat - deck and hull.

We also had a 302 ordered with twin 502s and Arneson drives. Arneson drives were surfacing drives (i.e. half the prop out of the water at plane) with radical (and by IO standards, large) cleaver props. Strange, but fast - out of the hold and up to speed.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #39
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When I sold boats (Formula go-fasts) we had one 402 customer ordered with the Lambo engines, when Mercruiser sold them (mid-80s). Cool engines - I don't recall the pricing, but it was insane, like 3X the price of a 502 TRS Merc.

The guy got the 402 40' Formula speedboat with black gelcoat - deck and hull.

We also had a 302 ordered with twin 502s and Arneson drives. Arneson drives were surfacing drives (i.e. half the prop out of the water at plane) with radical (and by IO standards, large) cleaver props. Strange, but fast - out of the hold and up to speed.
Not a lot of the formula's out there witht he arneson's

There is a clean yellow white and black one down in florida, and another guy on the west side who just bought a red white and black one.

surface drives are often misunderstood and underutilized IMO. of course they are not cheap.

There was a guy running an arneson on a 16 or 18 ft donzi who was running like 120+, fawkin crazy, but the rooster tail was cool.
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The west sider - was it a 302, about an 85? No "sugar scoop" swim deck - just a straight, classic hull.

Might've been the same boat. Can't be that many of them around. The 302/T502 Arneson boat kicked the living crap out of my 24 Magnum with a 330 TRS.
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