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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #1
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I own property in the U.P. near Newberry. We have enjoyed riding our quads and running our Jeeps up there for years. Luce County opened up some of its roads to ATV use a few years ago and it has already been abused by some. Take a look at this website that some local folks in Luce County have put together. The ATV crowd isn't making too many friends up there.
http://www.lucecountyorvdamage.com/


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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:51 PM   #2
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Unless I'm mistaken..... from over a year ago when the Drummond Island stuff reared it's ugly head.
But you are right. Some people can be real arses.
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i like how the site doesn't say "HEY STOP ORV USE"

it wants ORV's registered so the offenders can be cought.
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I believe that photo is old news, and the offenders got a very stiff fine AND jail time.

Have any photo's of the damage that logging trucks do when they clear cut acre's of forest land here in Michigan?

Never do I ever hear a word from the forest managers or DNR on that topic.
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I believe that photo is old news, and the offenders got a very stiff fine AND jail time.

Have any photo's of the damage that logging trucks do when they clear cut acre's of forest land here in Michigan?

Never do I ever hear a word from the forest managers or DNR on that topic.
Good point. I never really considered that. Those trucks sure do make a mess. In Luce County they are usually on paper company land though not on state land or someone's private property. They also don't drive through wetlands.
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They also don't drive through wetlands.
Leave that to the power companies.....
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I believe that photo is old news, and the offenders got a very stiff fine AND jail time.

Have any photo's of the damage that logging trucks do when they clear cut acre's of forest land here in Michigan?

Never do I ever hear a word from the forest managers or DNR on that topic.
logging compaines are requierd to repair damage done as well as do not clear cut in michigan the do managment tools like selective cutting to promote forest health and population growth. para phrased from a michgan land use text book on forest managment
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I dont know what the definition of CLEAR CUT is here in Michigan, but I've seen hundreds of acres of timber cut on forest lands here in Michigan before. That is far from what I would call ''selective cutting''..And the rutts/mess that is often left behind is 10x worse than most any damage I've seen done by ORV use.

Logging here in Michigan is a multi-million dollar industry, and the powers that be, dont appear to hold those logging companies to the same standards that many others, [ like ORV user's] have to adhere to.

Lets talk ''forest certification'' for a minute here..I dont think we need some out of State Greenies coming into OUR State and telling OUR officials what is wrong with our forests and threaten to de-certify them IF our forests dont meet THEIR standards.

And at the same time,

Lynn Boyd [DNR Forest,Mineral and Fire management Cheif] has the stones to tell the ORV Advisory Board that the findings of a forest certification audit evaluation indicated that an unacceptable level of environmental damage is resulting from ''illegal ORV use'' on State owned lands and if this occurance does not get reduced or eliminated, it is very likely the priviledge to use ORVs on State owned land will diminish.

So on ONE hand, we have the loggers that tear-up our Forest lands and are not held to the same standards that ORVers must adhere to, and on the OTHER hand, we have the ORVers that MUST be held accountable IF the Greenies fail to certify our forests.

This is Burocracy and Politics at its best.

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I don't remember electing any of the DNR officials at the last election or any election for that matter. How did they get so much power????
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I think the Governor for the State of Michigan does alot of the hiring inside the DNR..
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Yeah. Those rotten DNR people!!! We as the "off road community" don't bring any of these laws upon ourselves! How dare they close off areas when all we wanna do is ride our quads and Jeeps wherever we want to. The rotten bastards!

What angers me is that a few assholes ruin it for all of us. I own property in the area of Luce county that I posted pics of. I've been going up there for years and will probably retire up there. Running my quad and Jeep up there is one of my passions and it pisses me off that a few dickheads from "below the bridge" come up and ruin it for those of us who are responsible and care about the land and our U.P. neighbor's property.
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I own property in the area of Luce county that I posted pics of. I've been going up there for years and will probably retire up there. Running my quad and Jeep up there is one of my passions and it pisses me off that a few dickheads from "below the bridge" come up and ruin it for those of us who are responsible and care about the land and our U.P. neighbor's property.
Actually from the website you posted in the first post:


'the offenders were a very small number of local property owners and/or their guests'.

Incidentally the damage that was done on Drummond Island a few years back was ALSO done by locals.

So, It was a bit disingenuous for you to characterize that damage as being down by 'downstaters'. It was the locals who instigated it.
Furthermore, do you think 'Paper Company' land is there so that environmentalist, bird watchers, and tree huggers can have a peaceful and serene place to go enjoy nature? Hell no! At some point their going to chop every dam tree down so it looks like the ravages of a war zone. And yet no one seems to mind that. But put a few tracks on their land and suddenly your on the most 'wanted list'.

And in additon, when I go out riding in the woods, no matter where I'm at, I always seem to come across household refuse, refrigerators, old cans and bottles, roof shingles, discarded junk mail (with addresses, LOCAL I might add). West Branch has an unbelievable array of private little dumping spots we've discovered over the years doing our DNR Trail Maintenance.
Some other older 'blame game' tactics from the DNR include alleged ATV stream bank errosion (Canoe Camp in Leota area) which was really campers walking down to the river.

While I don't disagree there are irresponsible individuals out there, some even within our own ranks, all to often we as responsible recreationalists across the country take the brunt of the blame for damage which we rarely have anything to do with.
Educating the future generations on responsible off road use has become a 24/7 endeavor. (This site alone rarely lets a questionable picture slip by without some sort of comment on its legality)

I'm not specifically picking on you but rather the over generalization that has become the mantra of the general public, our Land Management Agencies, and Environmentalists across the country.

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logging compaines are requierd to repair damage done as well as do not clear cut in michigan the do managment tools like selective cutting to promote forest health and population growth. para phrased from a michgan land use text book on forest managment




4 miles from my house in the Barry state Game Area. The Trail leading back to this area didn't excist prior to the logging. Before it was logged it was just a thick wooded area with no trails and no damage. Been two years since done and looks the same today. I think more might need to read the forest managment plan then.
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logging compaines are requierd to repair damage done as well as do not clear cut in michigan the do managment tools like selective cutting to promote forest health and population growth. para phrased from a michgan land use text book on forest managment
They may be required too, but from what I have seen, it is definitely not enforced.... The GF and I took a fall color trip up to TC this weekend, and on the way up passed through several area that were forested, the roads were in absolutely horrible shape, and nothing was replanted, even though some of these areas appear to have been forested quite a while ago, while others looked somewhat fresh..

Its one of those things that makes me wonder how everyone bitches about us destroying the land, but the DNR and the government actually condones the absolutely destructive logging companies.
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take a picture of that area next year and then will talk in two years you will see in that area aspen trees and dog woods and service berry trees over 10 feet tall and they only have to repair roads once there done. and they will or property owner ecspeically if is te state will hit them with improper loggin practices
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take a picture of that area next year and then will talk in two years you will see in that area aspen trees and dog woods and service berry trees over 10 feet tall and they only have to repair roads once there done. and they will or property owner ecspeically if is te state will hit them with improper loggin practices
There are several areas that were logged when I was a child living up there during the summer... Many (not all) of them are still completely devoid of trees, are full of stumps, and just overall look like crap. Some of the bad areas have been there for 15 years. Only thing growing is small brush-like plants.
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take a picture of that area next year and then will talk in two years you will see in that area aspen trees and dog woods and service berry trees over 10 feet tall and they only have to repair roads once there done. and they will or property owner ecspeically if is te state will hit them with improper loggin practices
Do trees really grow 10 feet in two to three years?

Usually seedlings are planted, so that is a fast growing tree.
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aspens are stump sproters they will grow of the exsisting root system of a plant ive seen them come back to ten feet tall in three years yes they grow fast.
service berry and autum olive are plants that like desturbed sites as well as other plant speices these plants grow fast as well you will see them start around te site and work there way in as far as seedlings they ussually plant them for the conifers.
a site should be ready to be thinned after a clear cut from 20 to 35 years after it happend deppending on the speices that grow there.
as far as clear cutting looking like shit iv recently seen a clear cut come back on a scout camp in kalkaska after 2 years there are plants 6foot and talller but then again seed source is key the areas that take longer to rejuvanate are typically the conifers like red pine and white pine which is what is logged in the tc area
the pictures shown look to be from a maple aspen beach forest and is not a clear cut because a few trees were left as seed trees. it is just a poor example of sustainable logging

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Do trees really grow 10 feet in two to three years?

Usually seedlings are planted, so that is a fast growing tree.
you should see how fast the jack pine crops grow in the UP.

No clear cutting? LOL driven through the UP much in the last few years?
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